From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ehf1cwc4.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20130331220136.GA16863@saturn> <20130401070006.1b17508d3c3c69b69ac22bc7@gmail.com> <20130331234002.GC16863@saturn> <87hajr9iqy.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365015660 8185 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2013 19:01:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Xue Fuqiao , Giorgos Keramidas , Michael Welsh Duggan , Leo Liu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 03 21:01:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNSvv-0004aw-Hr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:01:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55890 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNSvW-0003Ry-Q1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43530) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNSug-0001hz-4R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNSue-0007IT-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:24686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNSue-0007Hy-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:00:00 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxLSu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxLSu/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="6407807" Original-Received: from 69-196-180-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.180.174]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Apr 2013 14:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6254F67A1E; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:59:57 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87hajr9iqy.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:50:29 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158618 Archived-At: > small consideration to them. They probably won't change again until > that future generation of VCSes has as great advantage over Mercurial > as Mercurial (and other DVCSes) had over CVS 5 years ago. (Really > good subtree/submodule support, or really good bidirectional merge > support would probably do it.) While I have used a various VCS (including the obscure MetaCVS, which I used enough to write vc-mcvs.el), your description of Python developers sounds very applicable to me w.r.t to Emacs's trunk. Just like I didn't fight Richard's choice of Bazaar, I don't care very much whether we keep using Bazaar or we change to Git, Monotone, Darcs, Mercurial, OpenCM, Fossil, younameit. > To summarize, Emacs developers as a group are pretty sensitive to > improvements in the VCS, and therefore it would be "nice" if they > could have the leading VCS most of the time. The only thing I care for now is to move away from Bazaar for the `elpa' branch because Bazaar can't handle it properly. Stefan