From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a943umku.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ppcvm7fj.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87vbmndk46.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bnoeed7v.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87389qe92k.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415678163 13707 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2014 03:56:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 03:56:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 04:55:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo2Yc-0005lc-LK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:55:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46656 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo2Yc-0004dF-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:55:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59441) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo2YR-0004d4-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:55:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo2YK-0000DL-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:55:43 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:23289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo2YK-0000DE-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:55:36 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0MAOatTlRLd+sd/2dsb2JhbABcgw6DYoZ+y1MEAgKBHBcBAXyEAwEBAwFWKAsLNBIUGA2IbwnLcgELIJEPFoQ1BYtkjS8FmQiBb4QWH4J6AQEB X-IPAS-Result: Au0MAOatTlRLd+sd/2dsb2JhbABcgw6DYoZ+y1MEAgKBHBcBAXyEAwEBAwFWKAsLNBIUGA2IbwnLcgELIJEPFoQ1BYtkjS8FmQiBb4QWH4J6AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,797,1406606400"; d="scan'208";a="96608378" Original-Received: from 75-119-235-29.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.235.29]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 10 Nov 2014 22:55:34 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 23288735D; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:55:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87389qe92k.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:59:31 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176738 Archived-At: > Pallet hooks (through advice) into package installations, plus it can > discover the starting list of packages. It then maintains a Cask file. OK, next question: what's a Cask file? > So it does what you asked for at the beginning of this thread, but > relays the actual package management to Cask. You mean package.el isn't actually used? > Cask manages a list of packages in an external file. It's aware of > dependencies, repos, etc. and is quite popular for its ease of use. "Aware of" isn't sufficient for me to understand what it does with that info. > As Phillip Lord said, bundling Cask would remove its Python > requirement and perhaps improve the user experience with package.el > and the various ELPAs. What functionality does it provide for the user (other than auto-removal of the packages that were not explicitly installed, and the ability to install the same set of packages, obviously)? Stefan