From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20171129233237.27462.23351@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83d13x1j2s.fsf@gnu.org> <34abea95-c7f7-e8fa-8407-8c2fd2a4cfe1@yandex.ru> <83y3mkzw1n.fsf@gnu.org> <83mv2zzv7z.fsf@gnu.org> <83o9nexy48.fsf@gnu.org> <83d13uxug5.fsf@gnu.org> <41e3f343-816f-d2db-6575-6ef43d54957f@yandex.ru> <838tecuqjb.fsf@gnu.org> <83609etizl.fsf@gnu.org> <83wp1ts123.fsf@gnu.org> <83po7lrvif.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1513031118 15139 195.159.176.226 (11 Dec 2017 22:25:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:25:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 11 23:25:15 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWVe-0003l7-6M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:25:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55768 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWVl-00054E-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:25:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54764) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWQo-0001R2-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWQk-0001kc-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:14 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:46808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWQk-0001iv-KC; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id vBBMK9D3004497; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:09 -0500 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DF081AE09C; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83po7lrvif.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:04:40 +0200") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6177=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6177> : inlines <6237> : streams <1772852> : uri <2549353> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220912 Archived-At: > AFAIU, Dmitry claimed precisely that. Otherwise, I cannot understand > the nature of his resistance to a simple request to keep backward > compatibility, something that is standard Emacs development policy. Given that prog-indentation-context has never been part of a release, this kind of "backward compatibility" is something we (until now) have never really tried to preserve. As for why we want prog-indentation-context gone rather than keep it for backward-compatibility, it's because it requires major modes to follow a convention different from the one that Dmitry suggests, so we end up with two contradictory recommendations in terms of what major modes should do. Hence my question: what's the concrete benefit of keeping in prog-indentation-context, i.e. of introducing in Emacs-26 a new variable which according to the evidence I see is destined to being left unused. Stefan