From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 23:45:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87inaiss6l.fsf@web.de> <6FCF6ACA-4F29-4B6B-BE9D-D7130C6E9495@gnu.org> <87fu5moe4c.fsf@web.de> <877eqyocro.fsf@web.de> <83zi3uz4nb.fsf@gnu.org> <0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org> <8bc3c4c7-dfc7-987a-95e7-bd309e2326c6@cs.ucla.edu> <03118DC0-39DA-4AB5-980E-A33809B9A5EE@raeburn.org> <83sh9es8jw.fsf@gnu.org> <2cdaa88f-f31e-e05c-a940-d83e25c9c167@dancol.org> <919bf465a7eecad7669fa29762f5770b.squirrel@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520484278 924 195.159.176.226 (8 Mar 2018 04:44:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 04:44:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 08 05:44:34 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etnPa-0005Qb-1N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 05:44:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36802 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etnRb-0004Kh-2K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 23:46:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33317) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etnQx-0004KG-BU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 23:45:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etnQt-0008Jo-Fn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 23:45:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=60141 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etnQt-0008J6-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 23:45:35 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etnOY-00063d-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 05:43:10 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 8 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:hWaZuzug23ZqU8HL1V3qlJwSxAc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223474 > I am really looking forward to this. LibreOffice is free software, > and it's ethical, but it isn't Emacs. IMO the essence of WYSIWYG makes it "not Emacs". I'd like to be able to usefully edit .odt documents with Emacs, but not in a WYSIWYG fashion. Stefan