From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unicode 11.0 added a special Copyleft symbol Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83muw8vsf3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528728409 16482 195.159.176.226 (11 Jun 2018 14:46:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 14:46:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 11 16:46:45 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSO5k-0004Bo-S5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:46:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49287 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSO7s-0004oh-3e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53741) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSNnx-00061y-Eq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:28:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSNnu-00035s-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:28:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=52595 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSNnt-00035N-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSNlj-0006F7-DL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:26:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:G9pWgnGp2WZeBsv8zS/o4EsvVXE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226211 Archived-At: >> aren't copyright notices legally required to have the © character present? > Under US law a proper copyright notice must say either "copyright", or > "copr.", or "©". For example, "Copyright 2018 Free Software Foundation, > Inc." For details, please see: > > https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.pdf I don't see much in this PDF (which is also using a weird blue-on-black color scheme), but I strongly suspect that in case of notices in plain-text files, a court of law would accept "(C)" as a replacement for a © character, as long as the context makes it sufficiently clear that this (C) indeed stands for some kind of copyright sign: they're both fundamentally representing the same, just in ways which are technically different (one using an ASCII encoding and the other using some more modern encoding). Otherwise, it'd be kind of like arguing "nope, sorry, your copyright sign doesn't count because it's too tall" or "the top-part of your «c» needs to be shorter than that of the bottom part, otherwise it doesn't count". The law is there to express an *intention* that needs to be interpreted in the specific context where it is applied, and in the context of a mostly ASCII file, a "(C) together with a year and a name, appearing where copyright notices often appear" *is* a copyright sign. Stefan