From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Emacs Lisp Packages" chapter in the Emacs manual Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 23:26:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <11437E00-8970-4908-A900-0438A248428D@traduction-libre.org> <75254771-9303-4982-AB60-F92AF7AC6454@traduction-libre.org> <11AC1ECE-C120-4CBE-93C7-6FD82AF12299@traduction-libre.org> <18BA1545-091A-454E-B459-DEB96071D048@traduction-libre.org> <4f5da1c3-1311-44ca-80f7-942d9a0537b4@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="34587"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , Emacs developers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 05:27:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXz6b-0008rx-BC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 05:27:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48224 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXz6a-000393-E1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 23:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXz5o-0002i0-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 23:27:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:39807) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXz5n-0008Cg-9E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 23:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A5D9380739; Sun, 10 May 2020 23:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EEC9380611; Sun, 10 May 2020 23:26:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589167617; bh=r4M1zqPJOr2T+FlybZ3xOx9v9QyOUQgPPsSBOdz9Iv8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Rr12GqaQzPBBk/SRD/4lLczXqiBHgU4boLBRHgxoOQiyWXUoJqzR5mr/oqbixgcP6 Nqtl9xlTrikgKf0E0RRnMSKvJFVcZr0HumFZlJXj4yghus28iLISDtTX/Wk1XV1Xb7 UZBxQCUFY6/TBZUfrGQ5vS5ToWnaFk9wtEfjfLWnOHID7HxgwdknxxpltZkEHuhhNb NS4DNwgP3WY7HSIn0awYBS253aE7GSkv5MAr49Ne6bxl8zRfSqP5ddFGoz4lyaPyzv qjIVjdiUGZYruQi1WGKtDpBWnN/3OJPFDtwPJpCUcTo7+WlyLC9+qA0k0+OZ48v217 zi78uQix4aijQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DFC812040A; Sun, 10 May 2020 23:26:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4f5da1c3-1311-44ca-80f7-942d9a0537b4@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 10 May 2020 18:51:05 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/10 23:19:05 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249758 Archived-At: > (provide 'my-feature) ; Ignored by byte compiler, > ; evaluated by 'load'. > (require 'my-feature) ; Evaluated by byte compiler. Yes, it used to be popular. But it is the telltale sign of a recursive dependency between packages, which is something better avoided (just like `advice` is better avoided: we *do* want to support it because it's really handy when you really need it, but don't abuse it). So please don't go there unless you have to. Stefan