From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Evans Winner <thorne@timbral.net>,
Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:18:20 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvpruq44zz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86r6f6qnqy.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:26:45 +0100")
>> What do you think of making C-M-SPC (and a few other such mark-*
>> commands) turn on temp-TMM?
> Sounds sensible to me for this one.
Here's the list:
M-x mark- TAB
mark-defun mark-end-of-sentence mark-page
mark-paragraph mark-sexp mark-whole-buffer
mark-word
Would you obect to have them all set temp-TMM?
> I think that things like delete-selection-mode should _not_ switch on
> permanent transient-mark-mode, by the way: they would appear also
> useful with temporary transient-mark-mode, and it is a pity that one
> can't use them with it.
Agreed. It made sense to do it back when temp-TMM didn't exist (since
del-sel-mode needs either temp-TMM or TMM to be of any use), but
not any more. Same for cua-selection-mode and pc-selection-mode,
I guess (tho these would need to be tweaked so that they properly
activate the mark in temp-TMM).
Stefan
PS: BTW, the current TMM implementation is odd and inconvenient. I think
the activation/highlighting status of the mark needs to be determined
solely from mark-active, and the transient-mark-mode variable should
only affect how mark-active is changed. I.e. we should change
`mark-active' to accept more than 2 values: it can be nil (unset),
t (set but not highlighted), `highlighted', and maybe also
`highlight-once' (this corresponds to the `once' setting of TMM used for
mouse operations so that the mark is only highlighted for 1 operation so
even just moving point will dehighlight it). Or maybe just nil or
a number (the number is decremented after every command and if it is
positive it means that the mark is highlighted: 1=highlight-once, 0=t,
most-positive-fixnum=highlighted). Then TMM and mark-even-if-inactive
are only consulted when activating/deactivating the mark to know to what
to (re)set mark-active.
Problem is: this would be backward-incompatible because of code that
does (and mark-active transient-mark-mode) and would hence be confused
when the mark is set but not highlighted.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-21 17:18 UTC|newest]
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2006-08-28 7:48 change cursor type when idle Drew Adams
2006-08-28 9:54 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 15:00 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 15:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:08 ` David Hansen
2006-08-28 16:09 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-28 23:13 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-29 20:51 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 13:51 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-08-29 13:59 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:17 ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-08-28 21:06 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 21:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 1:18 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-08-29 7:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 13:38 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 22:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 7:48 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-11 10:11 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-02-13 0:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 21:10 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 14:30 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 14:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:10 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 15:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:20 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:43 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:07 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 18:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:34 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 19:34 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 18:44 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 20:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 15:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:11 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-12 16:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:55 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 17:45 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 11:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 16:04 ` CUA-mode features and documenation (was: Re: change cursor type when idle) Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 16:23 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 22:45 ` CUA-mode features and documenation Juri Linkov
2008-02-13 22:59 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 23:18 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 0:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-14 0:50 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 0:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-14 1:12 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 18:10 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-15 17:11 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 13:22 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-18 13:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-18 15:52 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-17 19:51 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-17 22:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 22:30 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 13:48 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-17 13:22 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 16:58 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 18:06 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-19 8:52 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 9:38 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-19 19:01 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-19 22:43 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 23:45 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-19 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 0:12 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:19 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 0:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:16 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-20 3:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 9:56 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:32 ` CUA-*mode (was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default) Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:27 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 8:59 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 12:27 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 12:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 13:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 14:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:11 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 15:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:55 ` David Reitter
2008-02-20 16:04 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 16:27 ` David Reitter
2008-02-21 15:34 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-20 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 3:52 ` Provide different sets of .emacs [Was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] William Xu
2008-02-21 4:04 ` Provide different sets of .emacs William Xu
2008-02-20 16:14 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:21 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 17:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:48 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 21:07 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 16:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:00 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 19:30 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-20 20:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:41 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 23:01 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-22 3:18 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <8e24944a0802212139r2bae3597ke49c5c6da65da445@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-22 5:49 ` Fwd: " David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:09 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:31 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 1:02 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-23 1:20 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 9:16 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-23 1:17 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 5:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 10:30 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-22 10:47 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 13:11 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 14:16 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-22 14:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 18:06 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 15:53 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 18:12 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 22:20 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-22 23:09 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 19:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 14:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 16:27 ` Leo
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 17:35 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 18:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 19:02 ` Evans Winner
2008-02-20 21:13 ` Jason Earl
2008-02-20 21:24 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 22:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 7:30 ` martin rudalics
2008-02-21 22:29 ` scroll-restore.el Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 16:11 ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:32 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:41 ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:51 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:26 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-20 23:15 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Jason Earl
2008-02-20 23:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 0:42 ` Jason Earl
2008-02-21 9:57 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 14:41 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 16:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 16:26 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:18 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-02-21 17:38 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:52 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 21:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 22:24 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 17:27 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:25 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 23:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:39 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-21 23:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:10 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-22 10:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 12:19 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-02-22 12:28 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 23:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 0:03 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-23 8:04 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-23 0:04 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:21 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:46 ` Should M-SPC respect `sentence-end-double-space'? Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:46 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2008-02-23 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:52 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 3:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 3:47 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 8:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 15:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 17:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-03-01 22:15 ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-01 22:40 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-02 2:56 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02 5:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 16:09 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 12:07 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-20 21:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 15:55 ` Luc Teirlinck
2008-02-22 3:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 22:27 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 19:09 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 0:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:01 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 22:16 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMark " Drew Adams
2008-02-20 22:32 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 22:45 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 1:09 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 1:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 8:05 ` Sven Joachim
2008-02-21 0:13 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 1:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 4:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 17:46 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Tentative diagnosis of Transient Mark mode's " Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 8:19 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 9:43 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-02-21 10:54 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:10 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 19:28 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-21 21:42 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 11:58 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-22 14:49 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 10:59 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode by default] Andreas Schwab
2008-02-21 16:55 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 8:05 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:44 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem Johan Bockgård
2008-02-21 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 22:38 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-02-22 1:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-24 0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:27 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Juri Linkov
2008-02-19 9:48 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] David Kastrup
2008-02-17 18:11 ` CUA-mode features and documenation David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-14 1:54 ` Leo
2008-02-13 22:00 ` change cursor type when idle Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 13:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-15 0:03 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 19:31 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-12 21:42 ` Juri Linkov
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