From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>,
Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Next release
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:37 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvprs2squd.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wly76qesqq.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Sun, 04 May 2008 10:57:17 +0900")
>> We're still waiting for someone to actually finish the merge w.r.t
>> the Carbon port. This can only be done by someone who understand
>> enough of the Carbon port. You seem like our best hope here.
> As I said in
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00419.html, I
> don't have a plan to develop the Carbon (not Carbon+AppKit) port of
> Emacs 23.
By "Carbon" I mean both Carbon and Carbon+AppKit, since I don't know the
actual difference between the two.
>> I do not know why you seem to be so offended by the multi-tty code.
>> Maybe if you explained it, we could work it through. Its being
>> non-working and without anybody willing to fix it is basically the
>> main reason why we started to look into the Emacs.app code. It is a
>> pity to throw away this code.
> The breakage of the Carbon port is definitely NOT a reason. Well, one
> of the reasons would be that I found some changes that are totally
> unrelated to multi-tty.
Yes, the merge had its share of problems, but the fact that Lorentey
wasn't around made it worse. But I don't know what unrelated change you
may be thinking about.
> Another reason is no clear explanation given
> about preloading term/*-win.
There was some explanation given via email at some point. IIRC, the
issue is that the multi-tty feature introduced the possibility that an
Emacs session that starts using X11 (resp tty) may later be asked to
open a tty (resp X11) terminal. But loading *-win.el after Emacs has
been running for a while apparently introduced problems, so the code was
changed to eagerly load all the term/*-win.el files that may be used
later on during the session. At that point, since x-win.el is loaded
regardless of whether we only use X11 or tty, it is a perfect candidate
for preloading.
Why is that a problem?
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-04 3:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-01 9:48 Next release Nick Roberts
2008-05-01 10:32 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-01 23:07 ` Nick Roberts
2008-05-02 0:04 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-01 17:43 ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-01 19:52 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-01 20:30 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-02 1:00 ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-02 6:48 ` CHENG Gao
2008-05-03 1:00 ` Bob
2008-05-03 8:09 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-03 9:22 ` CHENG Gao
2008-05-03 9:49 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-03 18:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-03 19:08 ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-03 21:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 9:37 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-04 9:37 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-06 0:38 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-23 20:18 ` Problems preloading x-win.el (was: Next release) Stefan Monnier
2008-05-23 21:54 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-24 2:22 ` Problems preloading x-win.el Stefan Monnier
2008-05-24 3:19 ` Problems preloading x-win.el (was: Next release) YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-02 13:31 ` Next release Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-02 13:52 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-02 15:24 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-02 16:10 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-03 9:38 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-03 19:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 0:56 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04 1:25 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 1:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 1:57 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-05-04 5:07 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-05 1:28 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-05 5:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 21:35 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-04 23:52 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-05 0:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-05 7:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-05-07 18:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-07 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-08 8:22 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-08 8:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 9:04 ` David Reitter
2008-05-08 10:40 ` Jan Djärv
2008-05-08 10:55 ` Miles Bader
2008-05-10 8:55 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-10 20:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-10 23:53 ` David Reitter
2008-05-08 9:06 ` Miles Bader
2008-05-08 9:22 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-08 9:35 ` Miles Bader
2008-05-08 9:44 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 19:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-08 20:56 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-09 0:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-09 1:04 ` Miles Bader
2008-05-09 6:07 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-05-09 7:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 9:51 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-08 10:08 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 10:36 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-05-08 9:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 10:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 13:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-08 13:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-05-08 14:50 ` Miles Bader
2008-05-09 11:12 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-08 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 13:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-08 2:34 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-05-09 1:35 ` Tool-bar changes (Was: Next release) Chong Yidong
2008-05-09 3:25 ` Tool-bar changes Stefan Monnier
2008-05-09 5:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-05-13 18:07 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-13 18:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-13 18:38 ` David Reitter
2008-05-13 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-14 2:17 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-14 4:28 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-14 4:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-14 19:30 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-14 20:50 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-15 1:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-06 0:40 ` Next release YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 21:23 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-05 0:44 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 2:06 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04 4:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-04 6:58 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04 8:15 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-04 18:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-04 18:59 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04 20:31 ` Thomas Lord
2008-05-04 7:36 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-04 16:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 14:34 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-02 21:13 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-02 21:32 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-03 0:11 ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-03 14:49 ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-03 17:02 ` Alex
2008-05-03 21:00 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-04 3:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
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