From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: VMS support Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87iquzmcxm.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87d4l76ntu.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <8763qznhfd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k5fcc2ui.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <873alz681f.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <200807241655.m6OGtiqp008494@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807271841.m6RIftSS024933@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807271906.m6RJ6VOw008253@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807271951.m6RJpC5s000478@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217191497 12660 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2008 20:44:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thien-Thi Nguyen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 22:45:46 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KND7i-0003e7-4U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:45:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KND6o-0000LX-54 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KND6h-0000Jg-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KND6f-0000Iv-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35628 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KND6f-0000Il-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:41 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:59652 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KND6f-00078T-43 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:41 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEFAC17jEhFxIYw/2dsb2JhbACBW4k8oVWBdA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,260,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="24862648" Original-Received: from 69-196-134-48.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.134.48]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2008 16:44:40 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2FAFE7FE3; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <200807271951.m6RJpC5s000478@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:51:12 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101595 Archived-At: > That's what I've been saying, its absolutely _not_ minor. Keeping the ChangeLog on the side, as well as the list of files to `cvs rm' seems like very minor annoyances. Compared to the cost of finding the parts of the code that uses Carbon, then finding the places that refer to those places, ... Maybe you don't think so because you'd already done most of the work of finding the relevant places, but then you just have a *perception* of a high marginal cost. > And trading requiring to do work now for _maybe_ avoiding work in the > future when _maybe_ someone _might_ pick up the code is > a bad tradeoff. Could be. If you've ever been at the other end of the stick, you'll know that the added work of extracting the relevant patches from a set of interleaved patches can be excruciating. Especially with CVS and its lack of atomic commits. So yes, the gain is only hypothetical, but is potentially much higher than the cost. > So the question is, will you continue this policy? Yes. As I said, if you don't want to do this job, then just leave the old code in its place: we've been living with it for years, so it's not like it's urgent to remove it. Stefan