From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch. Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <30298845.656931270806476838.JavaMail.www@wwinf4631> <4BBF0C6C.7000909@swipnet.se> <4BC011F5.9010505@swipnet.se> <4BC0A2EC.3060807@swipnet.se> <50923.130.55.132.80.1270917734.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <4BC0B146.5020802@swipnet.se> <51053.130.55.132.80.1270919810.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <4BC0BB52.7040404@swipnet.se> <4BC0C6F3.6060100@harpegolden.net> <4BC0CE04.2090709@swipnet.se> <4BC1AAF5.1010700@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270998568 28198 80.91.229.12 (11 Apr 2010 15:09:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David De La Harpe Golden , "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" To: Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 11 17:09:26 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O0ymr-0008Cu-BH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:09:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36188 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O0ymq-00085w-Ln for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O0yml-00085X-6l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52712 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O0ymj-00084V-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O0ymi-0007vI-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:49625 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O0ymi-0007vD-EE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:16 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAHOCwUtMCqWu/2dsb2JhbACbRHK2DYUMBItG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,185,1270440000"; d="scan'208";a="60622908" Original-Received: from 76-10-165-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.165.174]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 11 Apr 2010 11:09:15 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 364EB7F1B; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4BC1AAF5.1010700@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv=22?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?'s?= message of "Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:56:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123477 Archived-At: >> Apparently the Gnome/Gtk guys aren't out to make life of application >> writers easier. They're instead dedicated to making things easy/uniform >> for the end user, which imposes severe constraints on the applications, >> especially ones like Emacs which haven't been designed around Gtk's ideas. > They do wan't Gtk+/Gnome applications to behave and look uniform, I think > that is a good thing for a desktop environment. > On the other hand, the GUI design in Emacs is awkward at best and doesn't > fit well with *any* toolkit out there. But the Gtk guys go to extra trouble to make sure that apps like Emacs can't conveniently use Gtk to get what they want, without this effort making it any easier for other apps to get a consistent look&feel. [ I'm obviously thinking of scrollbars here. ] Stefan