From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87tymlv41y.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8D701A9E7D444011925CB68BF0883D2B@us.oracle.com> <87hbikdss4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87iq2yzvpo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <15A1E47393A44678811B41A238C09E73@us.oracle.com> <87wrrd3qot.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4C77AB35.4010803@gnu.org> <87eidjj3zk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <83vd6vkxfs.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1283179200 18156 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2010 14:40:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 30 16:39:58 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oq5WY-0000Kp-7M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:39:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56096 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oq5WA-0005tY-SW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:39:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48840 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oq5V5-0005NN-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:39:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oq5Ur-00014i-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:38:07 -0400 Original-Received: from impaqm1.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.1]:45212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oq5Ur-00013w-5V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:38:05 -0400 Original-Received: from IMPmailhost2.adm.correo ([10.20.102.39]) by IMPaqm1.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id 0eG71f00D0r0BT601edsmj; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:52 +0200 Original-Received: from ceviche.home ([217.126.152.201]) by IMPmailhost2.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id 0edq1f0094LyPzM1iedrcJ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:52 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-TE-authinfo: authemail="monnier$movistar.es" |auth_email="monnier@movistar.es" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 58362660DF; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:50 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83vd6vkxfs.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:28:55 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:129423 Archived-At: >> Neither sounds good when you think of a possible future addition >> of gettext. > Yes, I agree. We need to design a scheme that could support > translatable menu items. That basically implies that it has to be part of the text (and not as a text-property). So the scheme using an underscore or some such char seems to be the way to go. I see two questions left open: 1- which char to use (I'd favor _ since it's what's used in the Free toolkit I happen to know). 2- how to deal with breaking backward compatibility (e.g. menus which currently include _). Stefan