From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112104: * progmodes/cfengine.el (cfengine-common-syntax): Add "_" to word syntax. Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:18:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wqt0xqiy.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sj3ny4ca.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ehf7zid3.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <87obeby2ph.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363961921 8699 80.91.229.3 (22 Mar 2013 14:18:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 22 15:19:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ2oG-0002RQ-5f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:19:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40286 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ2ns-000858-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:18:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34339) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ2no-000851-Ju for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:18:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ2nn-0005Nh-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:18:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:11503) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UJ2nn-0005Nc-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:18:39 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxKvA/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYoCws0BwsUGA2IQgbBLY1hgykDn1yFHoFegxM X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxKvA/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYoCws0BwsUGA2IQgbBLY1hgykDn1yFHoFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="5536410" Original-Received: from 69-196-171-192.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.171.192]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 22 Mar 2013 10:18:36 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EAE8667AAC; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:18:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87obeby2ph.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:38:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158064 Archived-At: > OK, but I can't think of any cases in CFEngine specifically where I > don't want to skip over _ with M-f. It's always part of a word. > The language itself is designed that way and has a pretty rigid syntax. CFengine has no notion of words, it has a notion of identifiers, which in Emacs are called symbols and can be skipped with C-M-f or forward-symbol. > Are you saying it's still not a good idea to add _ to the word syntax? Yes. > What will it break? Users's expectations. > Or are you saying users don't expect _ to be part of a > word and it's unconventional to make it so? Exactly. Many users actually like _ to be part of a word, but these are user-preferences (and we should indeed define a words-are-symbols-mode for those users since what they really want is for M-f, M-t, M-DEL to move by symbols rather than by words). Stefan