From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:51:04 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvppbvqv6t.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54840719.5080209@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:51:53 -0800")
> And you're really not interested in a discussion of your motives or the
> circumstance under which you'd make an exception, are you?
I think we've already discussed it at length in the cl-lib era.
It's largely an aesthetic issue: you want to save those 4 "gen-"
characters, whereas I want to keep the namespace clean. As mentioned
I also want to keep things discoverable and modular, and given the lack
of real modules, using a "gen-" prefix is the way to make things
discoverable and modular. Note that when I code in languages with good
module systems, I still use "prefixes", tho instead of "gen-" it would
probably be shortened to "G." or something like that.
As can be seen with the seq.el library, I want to move towards *more*
use of prefixes even for "core" functionality. This has been the case
for many many years. Even back in Emacs-21 times, my newcomment.el did
that, taking non-namespace-clean code from simple.el (or maybe it was
subr.el, can't remember) and making it use "comment-".
Over the years, my belief in the importance of using such prefixes has
only strengthened. I know many people disagree, but at this point
there's really not much room for negotiation.
We should simply agree to disagree.
Stefan
PS: In the case of "next", we could solve the namespace issue without
modules if Elisp had an equivalent to "foo.next". But the only OO-style
system we have uses methods which have global scope, so we'd need
another object system with a different method-call syntax like maybe
(foo :next).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-12-07 16:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-12-04 23:43 Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 1:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 2:42 ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 3:23 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 3:32 ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 4:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 8:52 ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 14:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 15:34 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 18:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 9:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:12 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 19:06 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 18:01 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 19:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:54 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 5:47 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-12-05 14:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 19:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 0:13 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06 0:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06 4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06 9:12 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 22:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 3:10 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 6:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 7:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 16:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-07 17:40 ` Namespace macros (was: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs) Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 0:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 7:55 ` Namespace macros Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 8:36 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 9:17 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 11:02 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 11:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 11:42 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 11:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 12:52 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 20:59 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 23:37 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-09 0:25 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-07 18:30 ` Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Drew Adams
2014-12-08 0:25 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 1:21 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08 5:34 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-08 20:59 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 21:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 19:35 ` namespaces Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-08 20:59 ` Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Richard Stallman
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2014-12-08 21:17 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 16:51 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2014-12-07 17:29 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 21:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 21:26 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 21:32 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 21:43 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 23:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 23:39 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08 2:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 2:24 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08 3:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 10:01 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-08 20:35 ` David Engster
2014-12-08 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 0:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 2:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-07 8:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07 9:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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