From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#30854: 27.0.50; Speeding up package.el startup Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38623"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 21 19:59:37 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krQPB-0009vL-D4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:59:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43854 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krQPA-0000cj-Df for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krQOG-000058-72 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:58:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:38557) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krQOD-0003kp-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:58:39 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 580BE10023D; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:58:36 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C98271000CF; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:58:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1608577114; bh=Z+zFdVCsYDlqUlMQ6wqPEsvLQDuQ4Jg+54Rr6pcnySA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=nEoJpqCU+/QaneePGg1d6dXuw83z+oYe1oX6RABv1Qq47An6N01IBHwci9qfrAW/V ZzdQTkLxyBFX4i4dCp29gnstiwgBBNIGqxSXQlh8BpjV9gRb2RcdHZvkK9+Uduyp06 uoiZODPs7srlOXa36bQeABsAESDBhOYSEiRQ8sN93IrH1s7Bhkc7Hq96RPncV6obmH eu8c4oOMTZMI/UGSHDifQ4N0xUu30oHRIUNBeoAVGvkth6eZdzuyoDKOsHlvryGSdN AVGMP/uNWQfyUnq66uUosP9EwyE8Tx/nmqicmGYeHEvE94aM95Ot8KGWCnMjZGzglh DaevlKcvPGPvg== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-165-136-52.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.136.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B16F1200A1; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:58:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:16:07 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261419 Archived-At: > I can also udate "user" functions of package.el (package-list, > package-refresh-contents etc) to check if package.el is initialized, and > if not they could call package-initialize on behalf of user, so end users > does not need to call pacakge-initialize themselves, neither in init > file or interactively. As I see now, some of them already do so, some don't. Indeed some calls to `package-initialize` are probably still missing. [ I don't know what you mean by `package-list`, OTOH. ] Sometimes rather than add a call to it, it's better to rework the code so it doesn't require `package-initialize` to run before, tho. E.g. I can't see why `package-refresh-contents` would need `package-initialize` to run before it can do its job. Stefan