From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA and built-in packages Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87pmrlxe1m.fsf@gnus.org> <92eb2e1ecc93054b2904c406578f11e4@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20703"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 01 13:12:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhWAe-0005D5-Vc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:12:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45814 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhWAd-0005am-Ae for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhW9q-0004tj-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:11:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:39590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhW9n-0007w6-Gq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:11:21 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9F0111003B4; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C2A5E1001C8; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:11:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1635768674; bh=MVd/jghI2JGxox42choyd6szZQ6tTBlex+9dzgA2K1I=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=erHhP/Cr2Q89vba36E4RxRR1M3oHDmkJr3kF6gTyWFupv7h7UA+tS2illrYJ3Ic5J 2kB21d/R4I1Jt+BIx39UVr8r+tvQ+T+zSCxO+yOXW0rm+4NAQaPjresZK99oJSR5TX +DfBRwjkdeoR42NCyHZY7Ppmac8xdSZ8e0iZLJgutkxvCX7IUIXgy83qR6s1waEJmf 93rvv+fVZKvDS2Iw64bNPLb4a2A6ZdolEu4B2kCUHdJFPDgTrBj7PAkwrx2+k3FAb4 w6ZpkXmETOAwJSs3XkrH6CeH04ugzBP8EbBS3yUGnVs4oOTAWSCxn7ancahjMMbNy3 aaidEioztHCNQ== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.241.23]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8CD66120264; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:11:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <92eb2e1ecc93054b2904c406578f11e4@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (Phil Sainty's message of "Mon, 01 Nov 2021 20:44:52 +1300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278370 Archived-At: Phil Sainty [2021-11-01 20:44:52] wrote: > On 2021-11-01 07:55, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Reality will sometimes disagree, because it depends if `package.el` >> is truly informed about the built-in package. > > What is it about the built-in package that "informs" package.el? The info is stored in `package--builtin-versions` which is populated from the autoloads information in `lisp/loaddefs.el`, which is generated by `lisp/emacs-lisp/autoload.el`: (when autoload-builtin-package-versions (let ((version (lm-header "version")) package) (and version (setq version (ignore-errors (version-to-list version))) (setq package (or (lm-header "package") (file-name-sans-extension (file-name-nondirectory file)))) (setq output-start (autoload--setup-output otherbuf outbuf absfile load-name outfile)) (let ((standard-output (marker-buffer output-start)) (print-quoted t)) (princ `(push (purecopy ',(cons (intern package) version)) package--builtin-versions)) (princ "\n"))))) > I just did a test with so-long.el and got slightly odd results. > > 1. I ran Emacs 27.2 (which includes so-long 1.0) with a fresh profile. > 2. I then installed v1.1 from > https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/so-long-1.1.tar.lz > 3. I then quit and ran Emacs 28 (which includes so-long 1.1.2). > 4. M-x package-refresh-contents > 5. M-x package-list-packages > 6. M-x occur RET so-long > > Result: > > 3 matches for "so-long" in buffer: *Packages* > 310: so-long 1.1.2 available gnu > 388: so-long 1.1 installed > 444: so-long 1.0 built-in > > The actual so-long functionality is good (the built-in version 1.1.2 is > used in practice, as desired), but that listing is definitely confused. Quite odd, indeed. Any chance your `loaddefs.el` was stale? Try `(cd lisp; make autoloads); make` to rebuild your Emacs after having explicitly refreshed your autoloads. You can also try `grep package--builtin-versions **/*.el | grep long` ? Stefan