From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: eshell-defgroup fouls up `make bootstrap'. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20080730094830.GA3952@muc.de> <20080730220721.GA1920@muc.de> <20080731171013.GC2886@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217536403 9833 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2008 20:33:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 31 22:34:13 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOepw-0007tG-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:33:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53541 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOep1-0007FA-OI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOeov-0007BE-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOeot-000791-F1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49144 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOeot-00078r-6I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:19 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:52212) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOeop-0001hv-EG; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from alfajor.home (vpn-132-204-232-24.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.24]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6VKWdb6026927; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:39 -0400 Original-Received: by alfajor.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0D02F1C175; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:12 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20080731171013.GC2886@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:10:13 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3072=0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101829 Archived-At: >> It's a fairly normal behavior in systems where the Makefile is itself >> built from other file(s) such as Makefile.in and config.status. >> Circularity is a normal occurrence, just like the need for bootstrap. >> There's no software without recursion, really. > It seems in this case there's no dependable "base case". I get into an > infinite loop, because 'make maintainer-clean', in order to "reset" the > tree to a stable initial state can only work when the tree is already in > a sufficiently stable state. I think this is a bug, and perhaps I ought > to try and fix it. ;-) There is a base case, but since the Makefile is a generated file, the base case doesn't use "make". It uses ./configure instead. So if you do ./configure make bootstrap it may fix your problem (then again, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't). If you want to preserve some of your config, you can try ./config.status --recheck make bootstrap instead, which is pretty close to the base case so it's likely to work just as well (or just as poorly as the case may be). >> src/Makefile is built in an awkward way for hysterical raisins: it goes [...] > For some reason, that makes me feel better. :-) How odd! Stefan