From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unable to close a bug in the tracker. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87iqb5o7ie.fsf@red-bean.com> <87d41dmq3o.fsf@red-bean.com> <87zl4glu72.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ockwk7rt.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263492528 24893 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2010 18:08:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 14 19:08:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NVU7a-0003l7-JK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:08:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50716 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVU7b-0003yi-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVU7U-0003y8-QD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVU7Q-0003vi-2A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39147 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVU7P-0003vd-Te for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:27 -0500 Original-Received: from tomts36.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.93]:63531 helo=tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NVU7H-00027P-Nz; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:19 -0500 Original-Received: from toip5.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.88]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20100114180819.ROCP28265.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip5.srvr.bell.ca>; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:19 -0500 Original-Received: from bas1-montreal42-1178046351.dsl.bell.ca (HELO ceviche.home) ([70.55.143.143]) by toip5.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2010 13:08:53 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B40C070035; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:18 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87ockwk7rt.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:47:50 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120020 Archived-At: > I completely understand the other side. But Emacs is a project with a > very large, disparate group of developers, few of whom do it anything > close to full time. So optimizing the bug tracker for the small > percentage of people who will become expert enough to be happy with it > seems like a mistake, unless the increase in the minority's efficiency > is *so* great as to outweigh the decrease in the majority's efficiency. > I strongly doubt that to be the case. My point was that it's *not* optimized for the minority "heavy maintainer": it's just a point in time along the path from "mailing-list only" to something more friendly to end-users (and other contributors). Stefan