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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: About Emacs Modernisation Project
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:50:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvocfuk065.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87r5krh3e0.fsf@unm.edu

>     No name spaces, no real lexical variables [...]
> These are not bugs, they are features.

No, they're not.  Elisp is slow and unsuited to "large" programs (which
do exist in Emacs, despite this barrier), and that is a problem.  But it
has a lot of legacy which is a large part of its popularity and
longevity.  If you want an Emacs that's not "hindered" by such legacy,
there are plenty, but then you don't enjoy the benefits of having such
a large legacy.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

> editor? -- I mean, I know there are borderline cases, like
> gnus, which I use and which is a pretty large and complex
> system, but for most purposes, I think Emacs Lisp actually
> encourages the production of a lot of little, useful hacks.

Indeed.  But lexical scoping and name spaces wouldn't make any
difference in this respect.


        Stefan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-01 19:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <143c6d28-4423-4e43-9fc5-c0fb3340043b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>
2010-05-31 15:44 ` About Emacs Modernisation Project Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]   ` <0e994fe3-6dde-449f-879d-6701c7a195a9@e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>
2010-05-31 19:41     ` Alessandro Piras
     [not found]       ` <87iq63wsvt.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com>
2010-06-01  0:06         ` LanX
2010-06-01  8:44           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-01 11:19             ` LanX
2010-06-01 12:56               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-02  6:17         ` Xah Lee
     [not found]       ` <c41c63c0-b934-442d-8385-1abff6ab9b0b@s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
2010-06-01  0:40         ` Alessandro Piras
2010-06-02  6:07       ` Xah Lee
     [not found] ` <87ljazofkn.fsf@rapttech.com.au>
2010-05-31 23:33   ` LanX
2010-06-01 10:28     ` Helmut Eller
2010-06-01 11:27       ` LanX
2010-06-01 12:29         ` Helmut Eller
2010-06-01 12:55           ` LanX
2010-06-01 12:59             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-01 12:59           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-02 17:05       ` Xah Lee
2010-06-02 17:50         ` Helmut Eller
     [not found]     ` <87r5krh3e0.fsf@unm.edu>
2010-06-01  8:40       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-01 17:34         ` rustom
2010-06-02 12:47           ` B. T. Raven
2010-06-02 17:20             ` rustom
2010-06-01 19:50       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2010-06-01 23:22         ` LanX
     [not found]           ` <slrni0b8nm.9k6.bergv@u00.math.uiuc.edu>
2010-06-02 11:39             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]           ` <e73e123d-3f0c-4a6f-bbac-b91fb71bf07d@f14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
2010-06-03  9:26             ` Emulating namespaces Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-03 15:33               ` LanX
2010-06-03 17:41                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]         ` <87mxvegz12.fsf@unm.edu>
2010-06-01 23:36           ` About Emacs Modernisation Project Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-06-02  5:58             ` Evans Winner
2010-06-04 18:33     ` Joseph Brenner
2010-06-05  2:55       ` Tim X

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