From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87d39pgdu4.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328897745 14015 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2012 18:15:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Nix' , 'Juanma Barranquero' , 'Lars Ingebrigtsen' , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 10 19:15:43 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvv0Y-0005zN-2d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:15:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvv0X-0004Fi-3O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:15:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvv0Q-00046c-DD for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:15:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvv0M-0008Tf-73 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:15:34 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:9979) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvv0M-0008TT-3d for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:15:30 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwIAD9eNU9MCqD0/2dsb2JhbABErl1+gQiBcgEBBAFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgPuR2JJoITDBUPBQQGPQwHCAYEBQODZAWEEwSISZsPhFo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,397,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="162516662" Original-Received: from 76-10-160-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.160.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Feb 2012 13:15:27 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3F68E58F68; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:15:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:35:12 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148446 Archived-At: > I would add that being able to use generalized variables (`setf' > generally, in addition to `incf' etc.) would also be on my short list. I like generalized variables as well. > (But we've been through all of this more than once before, discussing various > lists of candidate CL features to add. And little to nothing has come of it. > That does not mean that this time won't be the charm, but I'm skeptical...) I think a first step is to provide a new package `cl-lib' which would provide the CL functions (i.e. all those functions people seem to like but can't use because we disallow CL at runtime) under a clean "cl-" prefix. This would allow all of CL to be used (either via (require 'cl-lib) or (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))) and would hence address the most pressing issues. Stefan