From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y4q69m4a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mw6m9dt7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878ui3o06l.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419025029 4038 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2014 21:37:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , Sven Axelsson , emacs To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 19 22:37:01 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y25EK-0002O4-La for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:37:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60627 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y25EJ-0001XA-VB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:36:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y25Dz-0001UV-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:36:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y25Dr-0002yp-NG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:36:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:42262) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y25Dj-0002vL-05; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:36:23 -0500 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFB28513B; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:36:22 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4A01E5B8A; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:35:59 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 32AE7B40DF; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:35:59 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <878ui3o06l.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:26:58 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 132.204.24.67 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180355 Archived-At: >> Finally, an end to all those "I waited a year and redisplay still isn't >> done" bug reports, > Sadly this requires proof checkers that can distinguish between "will > terminate" and "will terminate within the known life-time of the > universe". That's a research problem I fear. That would be nice, but it's not needed, if we can simply assure the poor user that she should just wait a bit more, because eventually it will finish. Stefan