From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422044187 30547 80.91.229.3 (23 Jan 2015 20:16:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 23 21:16:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YEkeY-0003PV-0F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:16:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32926 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEkeW-0000M5-RO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:16:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60269) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEkeG-0000M0-QG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:16:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEkeB-0002ml-Ns for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:16:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:43021) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEkeB-0002md-Jt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:16:03 -0500 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BE18515E; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:16:02 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737921E5B8B; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:15:39 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4CB1DB4102; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:15:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Kelly Dean's message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:59:12 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 132.204.24.67 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181690 Archived-At: > Since =E2=80=9Fdefault=E2=80=9D is already misused to mean =C2=ABglobal= =C2=BB, it can't be changed to > mean =C2=ABstandard=C2=BB, since that would cause even more confusion. = =E2=80=9FStandard=E2=80=9D can > stay the way it is. =E2=80=9FBuffer-local=E2=80=9D can too. But please st= op using the word > =E2=80=9Fdefault=E2=80=9D for =C2=ABglobal=C2=BB; use =E2=80=9Fglobal=E2= =80=9D. There's already precedence in Emacs: > describe-variable calls it =E2=80=9Fglobal=E2=80=9D. I tend to agree. This "default-value" and "setq-default" dates back to the very beginning of time, tho. Stefan