From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87twg05nqf.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468423268 717 80.91.229.3 (13 Jul 2016 15:21:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:21:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 13 17:20:59 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLy6-0003C3-5e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:20:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48368 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLy5-0000xy-Cx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:20:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLxL-0000wB-Cd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:20:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLxH-0006yR-4F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50625) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLxG-0006xT-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:20:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLxF-0002dB-Ft for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:20:05 +0200 Original-Received: from 69-165-156-121.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.156.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:20:05 +0200 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-165-156-121.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:20:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 12 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-165-156-121.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:m/pCnL9JxlNwVEGY92AENKhPPZI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205641 Archived-At: > Ok, I see. You are talking about simply having ChangeLog entries as > part of the version control system, not having the system generate > ChangeLog entries from the code changes. No, I don't think anybody would argue to drop commit messages. While I do like it when as much as possible of the info is placed directly in the code, the commit message provides information which seems pretty hard to auto-generate since it generally requires a much higher-level understanding of the intention behind the code. Stefan