From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Change terminology to better align =?utf-8?Q?users=E2=80=99?= experience with modern GUIs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <58E90D68-5CE4-425F-BB5F-07533665ADC0@icloud.com> <20190723134018.GH27308@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="96869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 23 16:38:30 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvvx-000P7R-Vm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:38:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43292 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvvw-00080s-OY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:38:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54443) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvvs-000804-LB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:38:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvvr-0002pX-Pf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:38:24 -0400 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:54386 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvvr-0002nN-F7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:38:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpvvp-000OzK-Iu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:38:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:tEgtLDA+mY/0wCKqa+p6BQrD9Bc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:121241 Archived-At: >> I think "many years" above can be estimated at about of 10 years [...] > And who knows what the "terminology du jour" will be in 10 years. OTOH Emacs-24 was released in 2012, so by 2022 the vast majority of packages will depend on this version of Emacs, which came with package.el, so we can expect that by then all those packages will be distributed via ELPA. That means packages could start using the "pane" terminology with Emacs-24 already, assuming we provide a forward-compatibility package (like I did for cl-lib) adding the "pane" aliases. That might help speed up the transition a bit. Stefan