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Szmidt's message of "Tue, 12 May 2020 00:59:42 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/12 09:00:56 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249962 Archived-At: > Our unwillingness to make Free Software packages like Magit or Tuareg > easily installable into Emacs with no extra configuration forces many > of our users to add MELPA to their `package-archives`. > > I'm sure that Magit or Tuareg are most welcome to be part of Emacs if > the the needed paper work is done. > > An idea maybe e.g., Magit could join as a a GNU project, and followed > the needed rules for a GNU project but without copyright assignments > to the FSF. Then Magit could be listed in the package-archives list. > It would not be part of Emacs, but it would safeguard the situation of > not falling into a trap of recommending non-free software, etc. > > The unwillingness you speak of is falling into a trap of recommending > things that the GNU project is activley working against -- non-free > software. Not an unwillingness to add things. Just like RMS you conflate "hasn't signed copyright paperwork and is not interested in following our coding rules" with "things that the GNU project is activley working against -- non-free software". You're describing as enemies people who simply want to write their Free Software under a different set of rules. That ends up playing in the hands of those who really don't care about Free Software. Stefan