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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>, 69132@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#69132: [ELPA] Remove jQuery from elpa.gnu.org
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:13:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvo7cdx3y2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <65df3127-ec59-4c27-bd96-38bdeff6d965@gutov.dev> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:14:26 +0200")

>>>> But is there a reason we want it to look identical in all browsers?
>>> The end goal of a graphical design is usually a particular look.
>>> A handful of minor deviations would work against that.
>> The thing I hate most about the WWW is that it's running on*my*
>> computer but it's completely under the control of the web site.
>
> I can see where you're coming from.
>
> Most browsers allow user styles to override a web page. E.g. the Stylus
> extension (works in Firefox and Chromium). There's also userStyles.css.
>
> A good CSS reset would not get in the way of those, if only because it's
>   written not to conflict with developer's CSS. Rules with !important will
>   have higher priority.

I understand that you can circumvent such resets, but if all web-pages
need to start with a reset, then why don't all browsers start in the same
default CSS state?

In my world view, we should focus on the semantic content of our pages
to let the renderer decide how best to present it.

In any case, it seems that the only reason we currently have a reset is
so it looks the same everywhere.  If that's the case, I'm perfectly OK
with Philip's removal of the reset, since I don't think we should aim
for it to look the same everywhere (I'm pretty sure it won't look the
same on paper or in audio or in braille as it does on my screen anyway).


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-18 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-14 19:41 bug#69132: [ELPA] Remove jQuery from elpa.gnu.org Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-14 23:05 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-15  8:12   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-15 11:07     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-15 15:37     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-17 18:25       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-02-17 20:57       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-17 21:04         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-17 22:26           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-17 22:44             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-17 22:49               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-18  4:05                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-18 12:14                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-18 14:13                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-02-18 14:24                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-18 14:37                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-18 14:38                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-18  3:28       ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-18  4:07         ` Corwin Brust
2024-02-18  4:20           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-21  2:56           ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-22 12:00             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-25  3:13               ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-25 10:55                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-25 15:18                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-18 15:07         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-18 18:19           ` Corwin Brust
2024-02-24 10:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-25 10:06   ` Daniel Mendler via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-25 10:44     ` Philip Kaludercic

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