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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Q on performance with 10000 faces
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:59:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmzdamehf.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DNEMKBNJBGPAOPIJOOICCEHKDGAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 21 May 2006 23:26:00 -0700")

>> Does this mean that Emacs cannot reasonably be expected to
>> display 10000 face text-properties?

>     AFAIK, yes.  Doing what you did (a) disables all possible display
>     optimizations that the redisplay engine has up its sleeve to speed up
>     the common cases,

Indeed, changes in the face property take time.  I wouldn't say that what
he describes disables any particular optimization, but it makes
them ineffective.

>     and (b) forces Emacs to traverse the 10000 text
>     properties for each character it is about to display.

I don't see why the redisplay would have to traverse 10000 text properties
for each char it is about to display.  After all, there are 10000 chars each
with a different face property, but each one only has one text property (or
maybe a couple, but not 10000).

> Don't do what? Use that many faces or something else also?

It could be either don't use that many face-changes, or don't use that
many faces.  I suspect that the number of faces is what bogs you down which
is why it also slows down redisplay of other windows.  But I'm very
non-knowledgeable about the redisplay code.

>     It's because even cursor motion, that usually takes a fast shortcut
>     through the redisplay code, requires to search all the text properties
>     in your situation.

I don't see why that'd be the case.

> I'm a little surprised that a frame that is not selected and has no current
> activity (no cursor motion etc.), would continue to slow Emacs down just by
> being displayed on the computer screen (and listening for input).

Agreed.  I think there is a missing redisplay optimization here (and
I suspect that I sometimes suffer from a related missing optimization when
I have 100 frames open).


        Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-22 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-22  0:02 Q on performance with 10000 faces Drew Adams
2006-05-22  3:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-22  6:26   ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22  6:42     ` Miles Bader
2006-05-22 13:39       ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22  8:15     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-22 13:47       ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22 12:59     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2006-05-22 13:49       ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22 18:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-22 18:44       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-02 15:04         ` Drew Adams
2006-06-03  1:43           ` Drew Adams
2006-06-04 22:39             ` Kim F. Storm
2006-06-05  0:29               ` Drew Adams
2006-06-05 21:35                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-06-06  6:53                   ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22 18:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-22 20:59       ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22 22:30         ` Drew Adams
2006-05-22 23:28           ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-05-23  0:41             ` Drew Adams
2006-05-23  0:43         ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-23  1:25           ` Drew Adams
2006-05-25 16:21             ` Drew Adams
2006-05-23 11:08         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-23 14:07           ` Drew Adams
2006-05-23 23:48             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-24  0:02               ` Drew Adams
2006-05-23 19:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-23 21:06             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-24  5:50               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-24 12:02                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-25  0:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-25  3:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-25 16:31                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-22 15:12 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-22 15:18   ` Drew Adams

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