From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243216960 15282 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 02:02:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 04:02:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8PWL-0001vR-IM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:02:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53549 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PWL-00020G-63 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PWF-0001zO-RY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PWB-0001x4-B3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48019 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8PWB-0001x0-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:27010 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8PWA-0000XU-BO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:22 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAPaYGUrO+IBc/2dsb2JhbACBT8srhAsFhgA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,242,1241409600"; d="scan'208";a="39028656" Original-Received: from 206-248-128-92.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.128.92]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 24 May 2009 22:02:21 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1B0927EF7; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:02:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 24 May 2009 15:33:00 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111058 Archived-At: > I'm coming back to this thread because I just tried the new pretest > (23.0.94.1), where the default value of `line-move-visual' is t. > This is insane, IMO. The default value is t even in formatted modes > such as Buffer Menu and Info. It is t even in code modes such as > Emacs-Lisp. If you use `define-derived-mode' to define a new mode from > scratch - a mode that has no parent mode, it has value t in that > mode. It has value t everywhere, by default. This makes no sense. > If you absolutely feel the need to make the default value be t for > modes such as text-mode, which (you are convinced) are likely to > benefit from it, then do so. But PLEASE leave the rest of Emacs > alone, by default. This is a bad choice for Emacs - please > reconsider this. We've talked it over repeatedly. Add (setq line-move-visual nil) to your .emacs and live happily ever after. Stefan