From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Unable to close a bug in the tracker.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:35:03 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmy0g1z7e.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zl4glu72.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:58:09 -0500")
>> I think it may be a cultural difference. Emacs bugs have always been
>> reported and discussed by email. All the tracker really does is hook
>> that up to a database so that things don't get forgotten about.
> It is a cultural difference, sure. But I'm claiming one of these
> cultures is now dominant, so expecting developers to learn this other
> culture is unrealistic. Yes, *some* existing developers have learned
> these ropes. But the bug tracker is off-putting to *most* developers,
> and (I'd bet) to the vast majority of potential new developers.
Kalr, please look at it from the other side: not that long ago, all the
bug handling was done on a mailing-list and nothing else. That means
bug-lossage-galore and the only "web-interface" was the email archive.
The current web UI is clearly not as good as we'd like it to be, but
compared to what it was before Debbugs, there's no question that
it's improved. Given the rate of evolution of Emacs development
practice, I think we're doing fairly well. There's hope that within
a year or two, the web UI will be usable.
Personally, I'd be even more interested in a good debbugs-mode.
And that would be useful for all Emacs users, rather than just
for developpers.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-14 15:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-14 0:27 Unable to close a bug in the tracker Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 0:44 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-14 1:08 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 1:21 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 1:26 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 2:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-14 2:08 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-14 10:06 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-14 1:02 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 1:08 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 1:14 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 1:16 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 1:21 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 1:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-14 2:15 ` bug spam [was Re: Unable to close a bug in the tracker.] Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 4:45 ` bug spam Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 5:21 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 8:14 ` Yavor Doganov
2010-01-14 15:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 17:14 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 17:16 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 18:08 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 18:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-15 3:59 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-19 19:15 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-19 19:29 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-19 20:42 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-19 21:01 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 18:09 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 1:14 ` Unable to close a bug in the tracker Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 2:37 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-14 2:44 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 12:24 ` Xavier Maillard
2010-01-14 1:19 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 1:28 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 1:41 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 12:58 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 15:35 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2010-01-14 15:47 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 16:24 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-01-14 18:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-15 2:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-15 2:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-15 6:19 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-14 4:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 6:36 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 8:54 ` bug threading [was Re: Unable to close a bug in the tracker] Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 15:24 ` bug threading Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 12:59 ` Unable to close a bug in the tracker Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 14:55 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 15:09 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 17:04 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 19:20 ` Xavier Maillard
2010-01-14 9:41 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-01-14 17:07 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 18:54 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-01-14 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-15 3:59 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-16 4:02 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-01-16 8:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-16 11:02 ` Reiner Steib
2010-01-16 11:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-18 3:06 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-18 4:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-18 5:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-19 0:06 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-16 20:57 ` Xavier Maillard
2010-01-16 21:09 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 13:09 ` Getting full bug database dump? Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 14:47 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 15:21 ` Michael Albinus
2010-01-14 15:31 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-14 16:09 ` Michael Albinus
2010-01-14 16:20 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-14 16:24 ` Michael Albinus
2010-01-14 16:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-14 19:33 ` Emacs interface to debbugs (was: Getting full bug database dump?) Reiner Steib
2010-01-14 20:35 ` Emacs interface to debbugs Michael Albinus
2010-01-14 21:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-14 18:00 ` Getting full bug database dump? Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 19:56 ` Michael Albinus
2010-01-14 17:31 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-01-14 18:04 ` Karl Fogel
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