From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B613A3F.8070601@swipnet.se> <87k4v03m2j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264792883 9892 80.91.229.12 (29 Jan 2010 19:21:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 29 20:21:20 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NawP8-00035w-4b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:21:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53119 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NawP7-0004pw-4L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:21:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NawEL-0005Hk-FQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NawEG-0005Ea-R3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:10:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39979 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NawEG-0005EN-DP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:10:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34134) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NawEF-0005QZ-Qj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:10:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Navxm-000679-08; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:53:02 -0500 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126479113023422 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 18:52:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Navwv-00065j-7M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:09 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Navwt-00064s-70 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:07 -0500 Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0TIq1rl009615; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:01 -0500 Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5CE963A7A3; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87k4v03m2j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:20 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3459=0 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:53:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:34803 Archived-At: >> So I think Emacs should try to do a better job choosing a default size, >> based on the screen size, such that the default size (including WM >> decorations) is not larger than the screen. > I think a good interim solution is to change the default font from > Monospace-12 to Monospace-10. On most monitors, Monospace-12 is far too > large to be usable (10 is the default in Gnome installations IIUC), and > 40 lines of 12-point text cause the Emacs frame to increase past the > height of most desktop areas. I live in a world where screens never have enough lines, so I'm all for making the default font smaller. Stefan