From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: OT: threats to Free Software (was: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:40:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <878wabxg0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87635eycga.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hboyhfnt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87zl2qwsgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267555324 6438 80.91.229.12 (2 Mar 2010 18:42:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 02 19:41:59 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmX2b-0001vy-M7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:41:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmX2b-00047i-0U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:41:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmX1h-0003iY-LA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:41:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54039 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmX1d-0003gJ-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:40:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmX1c-0008W0-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:40:57 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:65364 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmX1V-0008VY-Sj; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:40:50 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAMbqjEvO+JkM/2dsb2JhbACbAXTAGIJVgiYEgxeHcQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,568,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="57298690" Original-Received: from 206-248-153-12.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.153.12]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 02 Mar 2010 13:40:48 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5F78B8205; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87zl2qwsgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:20:43 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121562 Archived-At: > That project was basically finished 15 years ago. The real threats to > the GNU system today are (a) patents and (b) lags vs. commercial > systems built on free software, even if they are not completely free > software. I think the real threat the FSF's ideals is that computers are being split into two camps: - cell-phones - web-services there are still some things in the middle (laptops/desktops) where users can run Free Software, but the tendency is pretty clear. Both sides (cell-phones and web-services) may internally run Free Software, but users enjoy (currently at least) none of the freedoms provided by Free Software. Stefan