From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video] Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 11:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <779cc2b0-c546-2a80-afd3-79f10bda1b7e@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="116552"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: excalamus@tutanota.com, Drew Adams , "excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions." To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 29 17:15:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jegiu-000UBd-3X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 17:15:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49330 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jegit-0006B8-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 11:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jegi4-0005Cs-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 11:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:21631) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jegi3-0004LT-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2020 11:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 561A7100312; Fri, 29 May 2020 11:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 533E710027A; Fri, 29 May 2020 11:14:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1590765247; bh=11Z9upiK5p2otUNsjOkBBotzMPra/jrK+Nb9a1P8Mwg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=iQeIXlnouKcUa7mkFzm95HJOorwJA0xOGqk3RTBbYmRn3quzuuZBwuHTIn41Vhkfy u7U9Vx3Osi0n+sShN64xw7z4CBXyZy60uAwI8EwV5yxbmaTQM6luYyHvj3zP8tNv93 nnOcVpKwqidj6ZzQ+E4rPl7ABVoyO2hnHAA7OeskEQtktmkNR+rav9ASaw0lye42Yw rUYKrT881tBgiyqi2lJU+oglAT/NW2+/A9E2IuCp7BcxZs5b9DGgJTgdFIcrlAt2nH vL5sydolNLmEIzP83RJWY+CUtr/zhbGHc18wm2tULJB88vTM0N2GcOWlwuH8h8xDLU nKWg9MGMCfChw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.27.250]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0DDE91203AB; Fri, 29 May 2020 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 29 May 2020 00:40:01 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/29 11:14:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251622 Archived-At: >> - Strictly speaking GNU Emacs and Emacs are distinct.=A0 What >> recommendations do you have for navigating the distinction?=A0 Or should >> we *not* make a distinction?=A0 Maybe I'm just being pedantic. > There is an interesting history here, and I'm as fascinated by this as > the next guy. But in this day and age, GNU Emacs has completely > eclipsed all other versions of Emacs. That is true. The editor we're all working on right now is called "Emacs", and the reason why we sometimes refer to it as "GNU Emacs" is to remind people that is part of the GNU project, not to distinguish it from other Emacsen such as "Lucid Emacs". Notice that all other Emacsen out there use another name: e.g. "XEmacs" is not called "X Emacs", "Zile" is not called "Zile Emacs", ... Stefan