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h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lCtmTtsfoVBoVRSbvLpvDUhPhEjtqLp5TTP0mi6JsmKXG0mdTCfg54LXB0UA196yL W+iR8YAFVUcC3ad5yLsh6DZdhOC5xD4bszkuWRPHAYdnlcmaYTfLWEtb3JHvFtcFmL MybsAqaQEDEoAXlK7ECzmMUnpxYU3lMG21mltr8KdsjtlFuzwb+uxTNH7j4QlaAFg8 RLBS0uJMbMTMsF+xN+udgSmL2gEWBh+2IO+fOaF3hAqOL7e6GHok9bmdRwLQKLc14q VTcePd57pvpvCU+RkepJmc3o9yLNJS9IIiMQU98PdCf4Je7lUG3fJPOz5mo79CbH6m 6ZXOpkZbJzmfA== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B2031202A0; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87tuo3ob5f.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:38:52 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204388 Archived-At: >> FWIW, I don't see what's "intrusive" about the "blink top and bottom lines of >> the selected frame" which I currently see in GNU/Linux. > In this Emacs, it blinks the two topmost lines. Which may be a bug? My crystal ball tells me it's a hidpi bug, indeed: it probably doubles something where it shouldn't, so at the top, it turns into 1 line into 2 and at the bottom, the line ends up being twice too far (and probably twice too think as well, but we don't get to see it anyway). >> It may not be slick but it does the job and I don't find it intrusive. >> Of course, I'm biased (I've used it for too many years), but it's >> clearly less intrusive than the non-visual bell. > It's more intrusive than what many people are using -- which is neither > an audible nor a visible bell, but just the echo area saying "Quit" when > you hit `C-g' (etc). But those people won't be affected by a change in the default. The only people which would see a "more intrusive" bell is those who keep the default settings but whose environment ends up muting the audible bell. I don't know how common this is. Stefan