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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: 58506@debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
	Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: bug#58506: Use ".dir-locals.eld" and ".dir-locals-2.eld" when they exist
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:38:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmt9vhp84.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875ygk2lzz.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:47:28 +0200")

>> [ I dropped the "set-early" because I still haven't heard any good
>>   reason why we'd need that nor what that would really mean (e.g. how it
>>   could be implemented).  ]
>
> Some major modes react to variables to change how they work.  So
> you'd say
>
> (setq org-thingamabob-syntax-version 2)
> (org-thingamabob-mode)

We've been solving this problem for the last 30 years without
introducing a new kind of "set before mode", so I don't understand
your example.

If `org-thingamabob-mode` is a major mode, then it starts with
`kill-all-local-variables`, so either you mark
`org-thingamabob-syntax-version` as persistent-local or you're screwed
from the outset (you can try some convoluted hack using
`change-major-mode-hook` but it's gonna be ugly).

OTOH using `:after-hook` or `hack-local-variables-hook` works right now
without very much effort.

> And this has to be set before the mode is called, because the mode is
> very expensive and re-interpreting the file afterwards is ungood.

So: delay the expensive part.  It's usually pretty easy, and most of the
time it's a good idea for all kinds of other reasons.

>>> `safep' would have to be a bit adjusted -- a `safep' for `odd-list'
>>> would be (cl-every #'oddp) etc.
>> Sorry, I don't know what problem you're alluding to.
>> Why would `safep` need to be adjusted?
> It's not necessary, but it'd be nice to be able to say "this element is
> safe to add to the list" instead of saying "after adding this element to
> the list, the resulting list is safe".

Ah, I see.  My intuition is YAGNI but I haven't thought too much
about it.


        Stefan






  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-16 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-13  9:05 bug#58486: [PATCH] Prevent .dir-locals.el from being byte-compiled Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 14:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-13 14:32   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 14:51     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-13 17:18   ` Juri Linkov
2022-10-13 19:11     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-14  9:22     ` bug#58506: Use ".dir-locals.eld" and ".dir-locals-2.eld" when they exist Stefan Kangas
2022-10-14 10:38       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 12:36         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-14 11:25       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 12:36         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-14 13:04         ` Robert Pluim
2022-10-14 13:10           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 13:23             ` Robert Pluim
2022-10-14 13:29               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 13:41                 ` Robert Pluim
2022-10-14 15:13           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15  9:18             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15  9:38               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15  9:42                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 10:00                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 11:35                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 13:56                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:12                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 16:22                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-16  8:39                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 10:05                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-15 15:19               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-16  8:47                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:34                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16  9:43                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 13:38                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-10-16 13:44                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:30                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-18  7:28                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-10-18 13:25                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-14 13:38         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-14 15:07       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-14 16:32     ` bug#58486: [PATCH] Prevent .dir-locals.el from being byte-compiled Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-15 19:16       ` Juri Linkov
2022-10-16 13:17         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-13 18:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 18:14   ` Philip Kaludercic

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