From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: feature/type-hierarchy 8a63e50036f 1/5: * Define 'cl--type-hierarchy' and compute 'cl--typeof-types' from it
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2024 09:21:41 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmsrfe7rq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yp1ttln1yvz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Andrea Corallo's message of "Sun, 03 Mar 2024 03:51:44 -0500")
>>>>> + (symbol-with-pos keyword))
>>> Can't we have keyword that is a symbol-with-pos as well?
>> I'm not sure (it depends if we agree that a `symbol-with-pos` is also
>> a `symbol`. In practice it presumably depends on the value of
>> `symbols-with-pos-enabled` 🙁),
> I *think* (thought at this point?) symbols-with-pos are symbols 🤷.
`symbolp` on a sympos will return t or nil depending on
`symbols-with-pos-enabled`, and similarly functions that accept symbols
will usually accept sympos only if that variable is set :-(
>> but I know that not all `symbol-with-pos`s are `keyword`s.
> How do you think this should be expressed in the DAG?
> I thought this was the correct way but I can indeed be wrong.
It's clearly not right, because a subtype means set-inclusion, which
here means that the current table asserts that all keywords are also
`symbol-with-pos`.
AFAIK `symbol-with-pos` just doesn't have any subtypes. We could
introduce a new type `keyword-with-pos`, which would be a subtype of
`symbol-with-pos` and `keyword`, but I don't see much need for it.
Our DAG is "incomplete" in the sense that some values don't have a "most
specific type". "keyword with pos" is indeed such a case. A list of
the form (lambda ...) is another such case,
While I'm here, I also notice you added `class` and `structure` in
there, but I don't think these can be currently considered as "types"
(or at least, I don't know how they would be defined).
Of course, there are more quirks, like the `subrp` which returns t for
special forms, which aren't functions (that's a FIXME you threw away
when you replaced `cl--typeof-types` with `cl--type-hierarchy`).
> Could you explain why you think `symbols-with-pos-enabled` should
> influence our type hierarchy?
AFAIK types are defined by the set of values they can hold and/or by the
set of operations we can apply to those values. And the set of
operations we can apply on sympos depends on this variable :-(
Stefan
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2024-03-01 16:49 ` feature/type-hierarchy 8a63e50036f 1/5: * Define 'cl--type-hierarchy' and compute 'cl--typeof-types' from it Stefan Monnier
2024-03-01 18:12 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-01 18:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-03 8:51 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2024-03-03 18:34 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-04 9:16 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-04 15:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-04 16:12 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-04 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-03 16:56 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 17:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-03 18:05 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 18:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-03 18:37 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 20:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-04 9:24 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-04 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
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