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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 tsdh@gnu.org,  arash@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com,
	 jb@jeremybryant.net,  emacs-devel@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net
Subject: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release?
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 10:11:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmso7xv0k.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87plt3a23b.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 30 May 2024 20:58:16 +0800")

> founded on such changes, but the far more numerous trivial changes that
> require adjustments hither and yon, which are so much less taxing when
> all concerned components are centralized in one repository.

You don't need to convince me of that, but that's only one side of the
coin.  There's also the issue of allowing/encouraging contributions from
people who do not want to contribute to core Emacs (e.g. because they
don't like our low-tech email-based workflow, or they don't like the way
we argue, ...).  Or the fact that in many people's mind once it's in
core Emacs it's in a kind of "long term retirement home" (tho apparently
there is a similar belief about GNU ELPA where some people are reluctant
to contribute a package to it before it's "complete").  Which is why
whether a package should live in core or in GNU ELPA is done on a case
by case basis and it's usually a "lesser evil" kind of choice.

BTW, technically, we *can* make a change to the Evil package without the
maintainers's agreement.  It will mean that the `elpa/evil` branch on
`nongnu.git` will not be in sync with the upstream Evil Git repository
(a "fork") and that we will have to keep *merging* our local changes
with upstream updates in the future (tho that can be automated as long
as it doesn't bump into merge conflicts), so it comes at a cost, but if
the upstream's maintenance goes dead it's an option we should consider.

[ And of course, we take go the hideous hack route of adding
  (put 'evil-mouse-drag-region 'ignored-mouse-command t) in Emacs's own
  code.  ]


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-30 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-28  8:48 Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release? Jeremy Bryant
2024-05-28 23:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-28 23:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-29  5:59   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 11:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 15:27     ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-29 15:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 16:06       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 19:33         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-30 19:25           ` Adding AUCTeX to core " Jeremy Bryant
2024-05-30 19:33             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-31 18:58               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-07 22:00                 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-08  6:56                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08  9:40                   ` Arash Esbati
2024-06-08 15:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08 15:49                     ` Po Lu
2024-06-09  3:54                       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-09 19:39                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-29 22:16         ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-29 22:19           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-30  6:25           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-30  6:33             ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-05-30  7:28               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-30  8:15                 ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-05-30 15:20                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 20:35       ` Tassilo Horn
2024-05-29 22:04         ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-30  5:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 10:52             ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-30  5:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30  7:55         ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 11:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 11:53             ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 12:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 12:58                 ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 14:11                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2024-05-30 14:26                     ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 13:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 14:05             ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 15:02               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30  8:00         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 20:44     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-30  5:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 21:48         ` Moving core packages to ELPA [Was: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release?] Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-08  6:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08  8:10             ` Michael Albinus
2024-06-08  8:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08 15:55                 ` Michael Albinus
2024-06-08 16:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08 16:59                     ` Michael Albinus
2024-06-07 21:55       ` Candidate packages for ELPA bundling " Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-08  1:44         ` Po Lu
2024-06-08  2:11           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-08  2:46             ` Po Lu
2024-06-08  6:41               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08  6:54                 ` Po Lu
2024-06-08  7:47                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08 15:06                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08 16:24                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08 15:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08  6:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08  6:48             ` Po Lu
2024-06-08 15:18           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08 15:37             ` Po Lu
2024-06-08 15:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-09  0:06                 ` Po Lu
2024-06-09  3:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08  6:55         ` Philip Kaludercic

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