From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [elpa] externals/transient 667ce2b287 18/23: Use transient-default-value in transient-init-value(suffix) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <173487507772.3820862.14263838078882905942@vcs3.savannah.gnu.org> <20241222134440.C5563C5C27C@vcs3.savannah.gnu.org> <87wmfmikc0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87y101osco.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5551"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 28 04:16:37 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tRNJc-0001Io-Qi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 04:16:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRNIr-0007jD-9r; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRNIm-0007ih-0X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRNIf-0007jt-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:39 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 98DD71000BD; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1735355735; bh=MlAv9mySQQnehY1N5OJ9CHVdhKBWPbAb3tKJBBIR+u4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=TtZUx8AIVDcTdWtzQ+nUXOFBW6REnHbFKCtyFZl55rO46i8cNsSsCM5HD+KuZ2npA lWinRIVx51U8GFaI4ln613AC7Vtam7bSSBGOMDRY7XXZyBf1Ud5ISCgG0rNSiIlHsd JO0+SqU+MWYCNY/NxpRhLDWbKgw9Mw0Vax776BxK9vOlGz5o8UWuhXXTfHTduFqmB2 5hUFzAp8cjLRHUUV75+ue+dQmiGoChJxNM66DMe9g0VIDRdvKKkxJG4oVLQYnVO93x zrhjijmEuebsVxBPWGQbbX1qVSSl/JNTLHiZL12m6YPr1eKz1dUSF6O6RIn8lsa+qV 9AuI1KdkPvLcg== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B215A100043; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:35 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from pastel (104-195-225-43.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.195.225.43]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89887120648; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:15:35 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87y101osco.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Fri, 27 Dec 2024 20:09:43 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327232 Archived-At: > Luckily I though about this remark long enough to realize that you were > not calling me "the annoying guy". But wording that sentence like this > was a bit risky... =F0=9F=99=82 > My other package which uses eieio--unbound is closql, whose purpose is > to store eieio object in a sqlite database. Since Eieio support unbound > slots, I have no choice but to deal with them. I see. >> [ Now that I think about it... I'm no fan of EIEIO objects, especially >> that notion of a slot being unbound, so maybe I should encourage use >> of `eieio--unbound` so as to maximize the chance of mayhem. =F0=9F=99= =82 ] > I expect that in 5 to 10 years you will present a new object system, > until then I'll stick to this one. :P FWIW, I use `cl-defstruct` instead for now (which sucks in its own way). But your expectation might not be too far off the mark. > But at this time removing this feature also does not sound feasible. +1 Stefan