From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249798116 2478 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2009 06:08:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 06:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Xah Lee , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 09 08:08:29 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ma1Zt-0007kY-MU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:08:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46871 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ma1Zr-0006gK-2L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:08:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ma1Zm-0006gF-6W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:08:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ma1Zh-0006Yn-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42315 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ma1Zg-0006Yk-W7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:28945 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ma1Zg-0005K2-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:08:08 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEABYFfkpFxL8W/2dsb2JhbACBUstohBgFhzg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,348,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="43208328" Original-Received: from 69-196-191-22.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.191.22]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2009 02:07:51 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7ED41B40CF; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 01:13:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:53:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113842 Archived-At: >> I agree that getting rid of the non-interactive search items in >> Edit->Search would be a good simplification. > I would suggest burying them deeper down in the menus instead. > For advertising reasons it is still good to have them there. I see no need to advertise them. I'd rather improve isearch so that the non-interactive search commands are never needed (AFAIK this is already the case, but it seems you disagree). >> Not sure about these. =C2=A0They're not very useful maybe, but they do s= erve >> the purpose of indicating what is the canonical keybinding for >> those commands. > For whom? I think new users will probably use C-End etc. We recommend M-> and M-< because they are more likely to work under ttys. >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * The =E2=80=9CCase-Insensitive Search=E2=80=9D should be= moved to be together with >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the interactive search menu under Edit. >>=20 >> This also sounds OK, except for the problem of making the behavior of >> the "Save options" menu entry clear: currently this entry saves all the >> options that appear above in the menu. =C2=A0So if we move an entry to s= ome >> other menu, we get into some trouble. > The "Save options" is in my opinion confusing. I think it would be > better to ask for each option if it would be set permanently or just > temporarily. > This would be easier to understand and there would be no obstacle of > this kind for moving them. Could be. But I wouldn't want to ask the question when the option is chosen, only when "Save options" is selected. >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * The Scroll-bar and Fringe menu items should be gone. = =C2=A0Scroll-bar is >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 a standard feature in all applications. =C2=A0If a power = user wants it >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 off, he can do so thru the customization menu. =C2=A0The = Fringe adjustment >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 is again for tweakers. =C2=A0It adds distraction. >> Those entries mostly play the role of advertisement. > Maybe bury them under "Show/Hide - Advanced - Scroll-bar" etc? The show/hide submenu is very large, so the benefit seems dubious. >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 * The Time, Battery, are of little use. Their functionali= ty are >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 provided by the OS's tool bar. Again, for geeks who need = it, it is >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 easy to call the command by =E2=80=9CM-x=E2=80=9D. >> I'd tend to agree. =C2=A0But I also do not remember why they were added,= so >> maybe there's just something I'm missing. > Bury it under advanced as above. Maybe if/when more stuff gets added to show/hide. Stefan