From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Subject: Re: bidi at startup
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:12:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvliwvmdg1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1QYyDd-0001PP-N0@fencepost.gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:30:05 -0400")
>> > Yes, of course. But when bidi-display-reordering is turned on by
>> > default, bidi_init will _always_ load these 2 files at startup,
>> > whenever it needs to display the first thing on the Emacs frame (mode
>> > line or menu/tool bar, I think). AFAIK, it has been our policy since
>> > before I remember to preload every Lisp file that is always loaded at
>> > startup.
Yes, if the file is needed when you just run "emacs" with an empty
.emacs file, then it definitely should be preloaded.
>> Is it used when we run emacs with -batch?
That doesn't matter for preloading.
> I think in -batch mode Emacs should not reorder bidirectional text.
> Mainly because if the underlying terminal is bidi-aware, it will
> reorder it by itself, and if it isn't aware, most probably it doesn't
> support the corresponding scripts anyway, and scripts that need
> reordering will come out garbled.
> So I think bidi-display-reordering should be set early during startup,
> but only in interactive sessions, i.e. dynamically.
As mentioned a few days ago in another thread, thinking in terms of
"interactive/noninteractive" session is the wrong way to look at it.
Instead, you want to think about which terminal is used. E.g. think of
the case of an Emacs server that did not daemonize: some terminals will
be GUIs, others will be ttys, and there'll be one more which is just
stdin/stdout. IIUC you're saying that the special initial terminal
(bound to stdin/stdout) should not do bib-processing, which sounds fine.
Stefan
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2010-03-18 19:11 Translation of http status code to text Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22 1:19 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 13:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 14:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 17:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 17:55 ` Sven Joachim
2010-03-22 19:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 20:32 ` Sven Joachim
2010-03-22 21:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 9:55 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 13:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 14:26 ` face for non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http status code to text) Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 16:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 18:18 ` face for non-ASCII characters Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-15 22:41 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-15 23:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 0:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 9:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 15:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 15:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:57 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:27 ` Drew Adams
2011-04-16 16:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 17:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-18 15:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-18 15:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-18 16:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-18 17:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-19 13:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-19 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-20 14:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-20 21:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 17:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 19:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 20:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 20:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 21:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-22 12:20 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 12:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-22 13:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-23 0:50 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-23 7:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-25 17:54 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-26 18:26 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-26 19:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 20:29 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-27 3:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-27 4:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-05-02 18:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 1:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-05-03 14:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 21:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-05-04 14:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-27 12:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 14:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-22 17:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 3:14 ` package management proposals for Emacs (was: face for non-ASCII characters) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 8:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 21:46 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-27 1:19 ` package management proposals for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2011-04-27 3:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-27 21:14 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-26 3:09 ` markchars.el 0.2.0 and idn.el (was: face for non-ASCII characters) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 8:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 15:28 ` idn.el and confusables.txt (was: markchars.el 0.2.0 and idn.el) Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 19:42 ` idn.el and confusables.txt Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 20:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 8:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-05-14 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 13:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 15:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 17:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 20:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-15 1:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-15 5:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-15 12:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-16 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-16 18:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-17 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-17 15:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-18 18:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-15 13:06 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-05-15 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 5:23 ` handa
2011-05-18 7:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 7:59 ` handa
2011-05-18 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-17 8:15 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-17 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 2:07 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 2:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 3:29 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 6:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 7:22 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 8:02 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 10:30 ` bidi at startup (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-06-21 17:13 ` bidi at startup Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-07 6:10 ` C interface to Unicode character property char-tables Kenichi Handa
2011-08-06 16:52 ` Using uniprop_table_lookup (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 0:55 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-09 1:32 ` Using uniprop_table_lookup Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09 4:31 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-15 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-31 10:42 ` uni-confusables 0.1 is on the Emacs ELPA branch (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-08 10:42 ` uni-confusables 0.1 is on the Emacs ELPA branch Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-08 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-16 16:00 ` face for non-ASCII characters Drew Adams
2010-03-23 19:40 ` Florian Beck
2010-03-23 14:35 ` Translation of http status code to text Miles Bader
2010-03-23 14:22 ` highlighting non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http status code to text) Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 16:50 ` highlighting non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http statuscode " Drew Adams
2010-03-23 21:49 ` highlighting non-ASCII characters Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 21:53 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-24 0:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 1:03 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 2:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 4:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-24 5:14 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-24 13:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 15:06 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-24 19:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 10:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24 19:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 17:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 20:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 22:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-29 18:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 18:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-29 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 20:51 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 13:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 21:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 21:31 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-29 21:32 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-30 13:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-30 14:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-30 14:17 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 14:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-30 16:18 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-30 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 7:11 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 14:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 17:32 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 0:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 13:38 ` Stephen Berman
2010-03-26 22:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 7:12 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 2:09 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-24 5:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-24 9:28 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 9:27 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 18:41 ` Translation of http status code to text Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 19:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 9:54 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 10:54 ` joakim
2010-03-23 15:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 3:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 17:35 ` Glenn Morris
2010-03-24 19:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-25 1:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 12:57 ` Stefan Monnier
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