From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:05:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org> <20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <4x1uqv4pbx.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327068376 31541 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2012 14:06:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Ulrich Mueller' , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 15:06:06 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RoF6O-0000TO-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:06:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36276 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoF6O-0003Ln-AE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:06:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoF6I-0003LD-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:05:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoF6C-0003W7-DC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:05:54 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:9791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoF6C-0003W1-Aj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:05:48 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EALNzGU9MCos2/2dsb2JhbABDDoR2qHyBBoFyAQEEASMzIwULCxgCAhgOAgIUGA0kiA+mdJFjgS+JYYEWBIg8mnCEAVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,542,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="157768888" Original-Received: from 76-10-139-54.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.139.54]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 20 Jan 2012 09:05:47 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D5C055946E; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:05:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:08:26 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147771 Archived-At: Paul said: > For user interfaces it would be better if Emacs quoted =E2=80=9Clike this= =E2=80=9D or > =E2=80=98like this=E2=80=99 (i.e., using directed quote marks) in the typ= ical case > where these quote marks are supported. I actually much prefer symmetry, the way it was with pre-unicode X fonts. E.g. =E2=80=9Bmyfoo=E2=80=99. > One way to address this would be to prefer directed > quote marks within the Emacs source code; the surrounding > technology should recognize these quotes and do the right > thing when displaying diagnostics on ASCII-only platforms. One other problem (besides display) with directed quote marks is that they're not as easy/convenient to type. Eli wrote: > Before we go that way, we will need to make sure the closing quote > mark behaves like ' does, wrt syntax (and thus word-level cursor > movement commands). Currently it doesn't. While we'd probably want to fine tune this part, I don't think it's a serious problem. After all, the syntax of ' already varies depending on the major mode, so it's already not always doing the right thing (and I regularly bump into such problems where C-h f doesn't properly get the function name from the text around point because of that), and changing to directed quote marks could actually help with this problem. Stefan