From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: xref "find references" and grouping Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 21:35:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83zja6b3tc.fsf@gnu.org> <553EBBBF.6070509@yandex.ru> <838udcwbdc.fsf@gnu.org> <553FFC99.5080701@yandex.ru> <834mnzuedd.fsf@gnu.org> <554161A8.30202@yandex.ru> <83618du3q3.fsf@gnu.org> <5542E486.2010107@yandex.ru> <83k2wsssm8.fsf@gnu.org> <5543632C.6000306@yandex.ru> <834mnwsbfb.fsf@gnu.org> <554392E2.7080109@yandex.ru> <83oam4qh2u.fsf@gnu.org> <5543C97C.6050000@yandex.ru> <83h9rwqf10.fsf@gnu.org> <5543E3CF.5010402@yandex.ru> <5544CD91.2050301@yandex.ru> <55451F0B.7010003@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430703381 14564 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2015 01:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 01:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Helmut Eller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 03:36:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp5Iq-0007ed-75 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 03:36:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60697 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp5Ip-0005K8-OZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 21:36:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46452) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp5Ie-0005Jm-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 21:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp5Ia-0000bu-OZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 21:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:37760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp5Ia-0000bp-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 21:35:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAGvvdVRFpYts/2dsb2JhbAA3gVOhb4EIgXUBAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIE6IRjG0DAQKDPgMDg20Eo2OEWA X-IPAS-Result: AgUFAGvvdVRFpYts/2dsb2JhbAA3gVOhb4EIgXUBAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIE6IRjG0DAQKDPgMDg20Eo2OEWA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,557,1422939600"; d="scan'208";a="118163087" Original-Received: from 69-165-139-108.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([69.165.139.108]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 03 May 2015 21:35:56 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7B0B7AE12D; Sun, 3 May 2015 21:35:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Helmut Eller's message of "Sun, 03 May 2015 09:47:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186169 Archived-At: > languages. Maybe we should never have tried to generalize this anyway > and simply declare a convention that programming modes should bind > M-. to a find-definition-like command. That certainly would avoid the > current dilemma of pleasing everybody. Actually, the current tension doesn't come from xref.el but comes from the fact that we now use find-func.el instead of etags.el by default in Elisp mode buffers. The use of xref.el should actually let use solve this dilemma, rather than introduce it. Stefan