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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Saving match data
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:11:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvlgyc9fof.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAArVCkQmYyxK2j+Ey4T_JgFNZpKkSDESoFPgudO70B9MZahtkw@mail.gmail.com

> I think this statement is surprising

Agreed.  That's why we have to write it explicitly in the doc ;-)

> and puts unnecessary burden on Elisp programmers.

Experience shows that it's the more efficient choice, tho: both in terms
of CPU efficiency and in terms of programmer efficiency.

So, yes, I think it's definitely necessary.

> Taken literally, Elisp programmers need to surround even calls to
> `car' with `save-match-data' because the documentation of `car'
> doesn't specify that it doesn't change the match data.

Indeed, there's also an expectation that "primitives" don't touch the
match-data.  It would be good to document it, tho it will take some work
to clarify what is meant by "primitive".

> "Notice that no functions are allowed to overwrite the match data unless
> they're explicitly documented to do so."

> and then clean up existing documentation and add `save-match-data' where
> appropriate.

That would imply adding save-match-data *everywhere*.  It's an enormous
amount of work, can't be automated, and comes with only two obvious results:
- our Elisp source code will be significantly larger.
- Emacs will be slower.


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-28 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-28 14:01 Saving match data Philipp Stephani
2016-09-28 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-28 16:11 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2016-09-28 16:49   ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-09-28 18:25     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-28 18:37       ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-09-28 20:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-28 20:15       ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-09-28 20:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-28 20:42           ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-09-28 20:58             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-09-29  2:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08  4:02               ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-10-08  6:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 15:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-16 19:24   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-16 19:53     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-16 22:16       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-17 13:53         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-17 14:02           ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-08 15:56             ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-08 16:01       ` Philipp Stephani
2016-09-28 17:00 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-09-29  9:29   ` Uwe Brauer

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