From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83inhwrqvh.fsf@gnu.org> <83h8xfsx5m.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1502487859 6400 195.159.176.226 (11 Aug 2017 21:44:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:44:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 11 23:44:16 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgHj0-0001A4-C6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:44:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51028 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgHj6-0002bT-K7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60012) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgHiO-0002b8-LJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:43:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgHiL-0006xO-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:43:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=37517 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgHiL-0006wz-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:43:29 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgHi9-0006Za-D6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:43:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 12 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:2rGx8l0hSe5hwF/Nk2GcxvXjTv0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217451 Archived-At: > I'm likely missing something, but why is `package-initialize' in user > space at all? > Can it not simply be called internally with the first instance of a > package customisation in the user's init.el file (or startup.el, > interactively or wherever)? Yes, that would be ideal. This needs a more declarative way to customize packages, tho, and currently I think we still want to support the more "imperative" form of customizations. Stefan