From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36478: Perhaps rearrange *Help* buffer a bit? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="226360"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: bug#36478 <36478@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 08 23:21:42 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkb4p-000wTD-88 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 23:21:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44794 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkayw-0005PD-Ly for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:15:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33073) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkayV-0005P3-7A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:15:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hkayU-00037i-5U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hkayU-00037c-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkayT-0004DS-R1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:15:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36478-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36478.156262045516141 (code B ref 36478); Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:15:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36478) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2019 21:14:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkaxj-0004CH-31 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkaxh-0004C4-EX for 36478@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E92B01008C2; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 952A8100737; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:14:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1562620446; bh=XDeNcq0VVGIAcySBKUYAlCvo7eunXsW6x1nfh3gUjow=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DMKLDxCdIfhov+VKoT42MxTQLi8K2rMyl1vPADxZvfVbXCcxQDwLlUT0Mz8venBjP D2I3Y8q5WnwL/EJmBCl4d9SG5uJLJWl1vVjVOXIe0IjZshWsNDxPsQZ9gxF0rF+zIQ 29WYhE3bMJF1cbwaCjzWEa3vT7AaxMn8fd5thS/Bhduk/cbalqUeBOwzR0kgx9RQ7k +hsNb3mVUGNESJNyLarbCjznWChtE6ns7wZVc5Kr89sfft9gdYa+716SfURvNOQgGa i1aq/qCqZPtpAUXtYT93SCUwOeRY/j/PmvSrq4U9WBZbmt8uywRMwo3wjrysgkXyjt QjNe0JNwlR6IQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (76-10-138-228.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.138.228]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 638B7120C0A; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:14:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2019 22:18:58 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:162366 Archived-At: > I think Drew (or somebody?) mentioned this in a bug report the other > day: The way the automated stuff is arranged in the *Help* buffer is > perhaps not optimal. > This function has a compiler macro =E2=80=98internal--compiler-macro-cX= Xr=E2=80=99. > Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 20. [...] > Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.2. > This function does not change global state, including the match data. [...] > So the thought here is that those indented lines isn't what's most > interesting to the user. I recently reworked the generation of this text specifically to try and make it easier to tweak it. > Anyway, what about rearranging this a bit so that the stuff the users > are interested in comes first? [...] > Let the bike-shedding commence! Here's my favorite color:=20 - don't move it to the end, because it's much too far. - hide it by default, with some obvious-enough button-like thingy to expand it on demand. - maybe the first line could also be moved into this "metadata" block. - These *Help* buffers would benefit from a bit of face-lift (e.g. put a different face on the metadata part, yet another on the calling-convention example, ...). Stefan