From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Perhaps rearrange *Help* buffer a bit? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="225968"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: bug#36478 <36478@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 08 23:21:37 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkb4r-000wTD-8L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 23:21:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44784 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkaxz-0004dW-MU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkaxf-0004dD-07 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hkaxd-0002Yh-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:27476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hkaxd-0002Y6-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E92B01008C2; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 952A8100737; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:14:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1562620446; bh=XDeNcq0VVGIAcySBKUYAlCvo7eunXsW6x1nfh3gUjow=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DMKLDxCdIfhov+VKoT42MxTQLi8K2rMyl1vPADxZvfVbXCcxQDwLlUT0Mz8venBjP D2I3Y8q5WnwL/EJmBCl4d9SG5uJLJWl1vVjVOXIe0IjZshWsNDxPsQZ9gxF0rF+zIQ 29WYhE3bMJF1cbwaCjzWEa3vT7AaxMn8fd5thS/Bhduk/cbalqUeBOwzR0kgx9RQ7k +hsNb3mVUGNESJNyLarbCjznWChtE6ns7wZVc5Kr89sfft9gdYa+716SfURvNOQgGa i1aq/qCqZPtpAUXtYT93SCUwOeRY/j/PmvSrq4U9WBZbmt8uywRMwo3wjrysgkXyjt QjNe0JNwlR6IQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (76-10-138-228.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.138.228]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 638B7120C0A; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:14:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2019 22:18:58 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:238417 Archived-At: > I think Drew (or somebody?) mentioned this in a bug report the other > day: The way the automated stuff is arranged in the *Help* buffer is > perhaps not optimal. > This function has a compiler macro =E2=80=98internal--compiler-macro-cX= Xr=E2=80=99. > Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 20. [...] > Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.2. > This function does not change global state, including the match data. [...] > So the thought here is that those indented lines isn't what's most > interesting to the user. I recently reworked the generation of this text specifically to try and make it easier to tweak it. > Anyway, what about rearranging this a bit so that the stuff the users > are interested in comes first? [...] > Let the bike-shedding commence! Here's my favorite color:=20 - don't move it to the end, because it's much too far. - hide it by default, with some obvious-enough button-like thingy to expand it on demand. - maybe the first line could also be moved into this "metadata" block. - These *Help* buffers would benefit from a bit of face-lift (e.g. put a different face on the metadata part, yet another on the calling-convention example, ...). Stefan