From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70587: More buffers that ought to be read-only Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 10:36:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87le506i07.n.fsf@jidanni.org> <86jzkkz9f2.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk5wz8a6.fsf@gnu.org> <8734r7b73v.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <86zftfw841.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk5uul0z.fsf@gnu.org> <864jbltt1k.fsf@gnu.org> <8634qxhldq.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3601"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , 70587@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 04 16:36:53 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVQ-0000k2-P0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 16:36:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVF-0005qo-OU; Sat, 04 May 2024 10:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVD-0005qe-Pn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 10:36:40 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVD-00046s-Ex for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 10:36:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVa-0001VI-Eu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 10:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 14:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70587 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 70587-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70587.17148334055772 (code B ref 70587); Sat, 04 May 2024 14:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2024 14:36:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54040 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVI-0001V0-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 10:36:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:20658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3GVD-0001Uq-GY for 70587@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 10:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A56C480919; Sat, 4 May 2024 10:36:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1714833368; bh=QzQ90+u3qKI3fNxtHT+EmQLbYMGcRDM2StGVYpeQke4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=DKNLGt1J5sfv/x3eKMnSA5W5lewKagpwSKb5MKhgW9zU1tBwxunog+ElcTxDb7MqV CrBWfPDez+P1/Mz+7DEzEFhOxa2aPyxyHBafbPeQp9SXs0/WQADP+Obn3aVeAJoVYK ydz3lvlhBplj5ahwquUsUIj/UM54xurUZaui9V3z+K7re2esGVEHzMJ/gXAzgYGIh5 TMUCxU6T+FN913JLlljnHMj2aE7uX/rDguiEIlfgSYZdUGsJB1I+fY0DhITe47fJfS Q4QzO9CevUyOm0UC04WoyX5ipubdEkfz+IBR1VfEbDva8ysfTs+uZx3QQo9KA5AM9F d+66wWlHTYY1Q== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A6192805BE; Sat, 4 May 2024 10:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.201.215]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A31912033B; Sat, 4 May 2024 10:36:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8634qxhldq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 04 May 2024 14:22:41 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:284431 Archived-At: > Does anyone have any explanation for how we ended up in this > situation? I view the read-only or not status as something that depends more on where the data came from than on the mode being used for it. [ So, by and large, I agree with Dan that things like `*Shell Command Output*` and errors buffers might benefit from being made read0only by default. ] Stefan