From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:47:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8564wi2ag7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118703580 25956 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2005 22:59:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 00:59:38 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhxtZ-0004np-4Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhxyR-0003nO-4W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:04:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhxsR-0001wI-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhxsK-0001tA-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhxsI-0001pa-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:57:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dhxjx-0003Qg-NI; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8000D2CF41D; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from asado.iro.umontreal.ca (asado.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.84]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615874AC008; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by asado.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4D32AE6C1B; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: (Jason Rumney's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:07:51 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-4.843, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38760 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38760 > There seems to be an increasing trend to make Emacs look and act like > a web browser in all contexts, making it frustrating to use for text > editing purposes. Setting the point is basic functionality, and I > shouldn't have to cross my fingers, double tap, hold, turn around and > touch my nose to do it. I'm more and more inclined to agree. I think the mouse-1-clock-follows-link behavior should be used (by default) at most at a few well-tested placed. E.g. custom (where it's already working this way in 21.4 AFAIK), help, info. But not grep, not compile, ... The idea of having mouse-1-clock-follows-link activated by default is to make it easier for beginners accustomed to web browsers more than to text editors, and maybe that makes sense, but we shouldn't overstate this case either: the number of users we can expect to win thanks to this minor detail is likely to be vanishingly small. It's not like the mouse-2-follows-link convention is the only "unusual" UI aspect of Emacs. So maybe turning it on for a handful of cases makes sense. And keeping a more intrusive option may also make sense for people whose system makes it hard to generate a mouse-2 event. But the current setup has tricked me too many times already. I know I can turn it off, but we should be careful not to alienate our fervent disciples. Stefan