From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247343912 14270 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2009 20:25:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 11 22:25:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MPj82-0004tF-MN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:25:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38839 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPj81-0002cH-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:25:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPj7w-0002bE-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPj7r-0002Yn-BG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52165 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPj7r-0002Yi-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:15179) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPj7r-0003KM-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:51 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtIEAL6RWEpFxIFI/2dsb2JhbACBUcp0hAkFhmQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,385,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="41402727" Original-Received: from 69-196-129-72.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.129.72]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2009 16:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CD0AB7EF7; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Fernando's message of "Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:11:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112354 Archived-At: > First, I would like to know if you agree about the reasons for having > a web browser in Emacs (either as part of it or as an external lisp > package). I'd like to see Emacs support things like javascript better, as well as web-browsing. The Emacs/W3 way is sadly unworkable because of the amount of effort this requires (compounded by the performance limitations of Elisp). Embedding a whole web-browser like Firefox might be a good direction, tho it's probably too coarse to be satisfactory. E.g. I'd like to be able to use Emacs's own completion code when typing the URL or when filling any text in the page. Maybe the most promising direction I can see is to try and make some library (like webkit) render directly into an Emacs buffer (rather than X11/Cairo/w32/plaintext/younameit). Still, to make it handle tables properly, we may need to extend Emacs's rendering engine to better support them (which would be handy in any case for various applications like list-buffer which should columns of data). Stefan