From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: References: <80oc6e5mnt.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297790554 22435 80.91.229.12 (15 Feb 2011 17:22:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Org mode , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Vincent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bela=EFche?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 15 18:22:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PpObd-0001jG-Gj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:22:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50073 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PpObc-0004UQ-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:22:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53239 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PpObT-0004Sl-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:22:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PpObS-00044k-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:22:19 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:54518 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PpObS-00044W-8y; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:22:18 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFJEWk1MCqmX/2dsb2JhbAClWXS8ToVeBIUFjz4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,474,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="91798051" Original-Received: from 76-10-169-151.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.169.151]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 15 Feb 2011 12:22:16 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7DAED66188; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:22:16 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <80oc6e5mnt.fsf@gmail.com> ("Vincent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bela=EFch?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?e=22's?= message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:30:46 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136053 gmane.emacs.orgmode:37743 Archived-At: > Maybe an example is better to explain what I need, imagine that I have > the following two paragraphs: [...] > Where I assumed that alineas are separated by either an empty line or a > tailing `\\' while paragraphs are separated by just an empty line. An important question here is: is it important for M-} to ignore those \\? > What you say (making distinct separation of paragraph for motion and of > fillable-region) is more than what I needed, because I assumed that > alineas and paragraphs are not completely separate things, as an alinea > is always a subset of a paragraph. Yes, that's usually the case. But it's more trouble for the code to enforce that fill-forward-paragraph-function only moves within the current paragraph, so the extra power comes at no cost and you don't have to use it. > Concerning EUPP, after more thinking, I realized that alineas are not > the good approach: actually I don't need any special filling but rather > to disable filling in some occasions, and for that using the > fill-paragraph-function is a better approach. Of course fill-paragraph-function sucks because it only applies to fill-paragraph and not to fill-region. > So, for Org I will just install emacs-24 --- or at least the fill > package, is it backward compatible with an emacs-23 ? No idea. It's likely, but I really can't guarantee it. Stefan