From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6693: 24.0.50; font-lock-(builtin|doc) faces are *way* too close Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <05CB9D294C4646D5A2F574AB5A9DFA55@us.oracle.com> <13C511D445304C4C94EE650D4796ECD0@us.oracle.com> <4E110EB6.3060407@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309800146 11058 80.91.229.12 (4 Jul 2011 17:22:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 6693@debbugs.gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 04 19:22:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qdmqi-0005p1-0B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:22:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35271 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qdmqh-0007g2-17 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QdmY5-0002zm-TL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:03:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QdmY3-0007qr-SU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:03:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41934) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QdmY3-0007qa-8V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdmY2-0007K8-5p; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6693 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6693-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6693.130979892828089 (code B ref 6693); Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6693) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 17:02:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdmXA-0007Iz-Ej for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdmX8-0007IW-FU for 6693@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:02:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAIvwEU5FxIxr/2dsb2JhbABTp3t4iHrAf4Y2BJ5chCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,473,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="120395155" Original-Received: from 69-196-140-107.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.140.107]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 04 Jul 2011 13:02:00 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F0A5F59173; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:01:59 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4E110EB6.3060407@harpegolden.net> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Mon, 04 Jul 2011 01:52:06 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:03:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:47962 Archived-At: > I'd say we absolutely should try to keep the emacs out-of-box color scheme > colorblind-safe, so some people having problems _is_ a reason to change the > scheme. But there are 2 issues: 1- make sure that default faces have a foreground that combines well with its background. I.e. each individual char should be legible even for colorblind users. 2- try to use visually different appearances for different font-lock faces. The first issue is very important (e.g. a requirement to enable font-lock by default). The second is very secondary in comparison. Stefan "and note that I carefully talk about the appearance of the faces, and not their color: most of my faces use the default foreground and background color and are distinguished by other attributes"