From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: visual line mode Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1350025008261-266925.post@n5.nabble.com> <838vbc85dy.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9vsjcsl.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <1350038115945-266940.post@n5.nabble.com> <7D26BCC2-3CEA-4109-878F-FEB13D2EED2B@Web.DE> <1350038885303-266943.post@n5.nabble.com> <395879E8-FD2F-4487-850D-0B2CECE37DF5@Web.DE> <87sj9jj51a.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <83vcef7r51.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354197088 22642 80.91.229.3 (29 Nov 2012 13:51:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:51:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 29 14:51:40 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Te4Wd-0004mC-I6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:51:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34468 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te4WS-0006oj-13 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:51:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40899) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te4Vr-0006cv-Hj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:51:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te4VC-0007dd-3c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:50:47 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te4VB-0007X5-4J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:50:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Te4VB-0002vw-5T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:50:05 +0100 Original-Received: from 69-196-168-125.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.196.168.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:50:05 +0100 Original-Received: from monnier by 69-196-168-125.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:50:05 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-196-168-125.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JHcf6DxCaTKYveSUmuWzeGkQOio= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:87938 Archived-At: >> What fringe indicators? You mean, if visual-line-fringe-indicators >> are customized? > Why does visual-line-mode turn off fringe indicators by default? Good, question, I can't remember the answer, tho. I can guess at a few possibilities: - "knee-jerk" reaction along the lines of "so you want word wrapping like the other crap editors? well, I'll give you just that, then". I don't think we were so thoughtless, but there might have been the reasoning that "since other word-wrapping editors don't show indicators, it should be OK if we do the same". - if you have "one logical line per paragraph", then your fringes would be pretty much full of indicators everywhere, except at paragraph boundaries, which ends up being neither pretty nor convenient. For the "most lines are long" case mentioned in point 2, a better approach would be to put a fringe indicator only at paragraph boundaries. Stefan